The Core Change that Makes this Not Jagged Alliance:

[Still]

Edit: Here's a response from a popular YouTube channel refuting what I'm saying: https://youtu.be/GddMTHg4yyc

Please watch that and decide for yourself.

Edit 2:

Just finished the video above and the game looks fine / good to me! Just preordered :)

I am leaving this thread up because I think this convo is actually important (gaming is serious business) for this genre of game.

[[UP] Redfurn [3o+]]

Gladly it is only your opinion and not a fact that JA is defined by only one single mechanic.

[avadream]

This invites night ops.

[Still]

Originally posted by UP Redfurn 3o+:

Gladly it is only your opinion and not a fact that JA is defined by only one single mechanic.

Yeah probably the most fundamental combat mechanic that influences the entire way you approach the missions, which is the whole point of the game. I honestly hope you enjoy it though. I am just posting this for anyone who is like ma and looking for an actual sequel to the games we love.

[Rampage]

this saddens me

[Still]

Originally posted by avadream:

This invites night ops.

No--the opposite. Night / stealth is pointless because the entire map will be paused while the enemy takes a turn. It's not like old JA where you are just picking people off and it's all real time. It literally pauses the game and the enemy gets to move wherever they want while you are standing there doing nothing. Totally different.

[Still]

Originally posted by Rampage:

this saddens me

Me too. A lot. I love these games. Like hundreds / thousands of hours.

[Actionjackson]

Deal with it, set overwatch, everyone runs into it. Win. Dont be so stiff about it all.

[Murion]

someone else already stated that this is the users fault in the example of the video and stealth kills without activating is still possible. so why spreading false information?

[Rampage]

Originally posted by Actionjackson:

Deal with it, set overwatch, everyone runs into it. Win. Dont be so stiff about it all.

oh wow forgive me for expecting JA mechanics in a JA game....

[Dorschbert]

"Hey, they changed that one little detail so it's a completely different game". Tbh, imo you are just looking for an excuse to not buy it. It's not like they changed the combat from turn based to real-time or sth. like that. But in the end, you know best what you want, so feel free to wait another 20+ years for a potential "true successor".

[Actionjackson]

Originally posted by Rampage:

Originally posted by Actionjackson:

Deal with it, set overwatch, everyone runs into it. Win. Dont be so stiff about it all.

oh wow forgive me for expecting JA mechanics in a JA game....

What is a JA mechanic? You realize things can move on in 24 year?

Either you anticipate this move or you avoid it with stealth.

[Basil Fawlty]

Originally posted by tanjo two guns:

Hate to say it, but here you go:

At 13:25 in this video, you'll see a merc gets seen by an enemy. The change is that now the entire enemy squad gets to react instead of just that 1 merc:

https://youtu.be/wYsHtAkhwJU?t=798

As another commentor mentioned:

This is actually worrying. Its like the new X Com that resets the fight and gives the Aliens a free round to place themselves. Changed the whole dynamic and removed imho the core element that gave XCom the tactical freedom flavor that made it one of the greatest of all time. Just like JA2.

There you go. Not Jagged Alliance.

Edit: The entire map will be paused while the enemy takes a turn. It's not like old JA where you are just picking people off and it's all real time. It literally pauses the game and the enemy gets to move wherever they want while you are standing there doing nothing. Totally different.

Said it before, its a xcom-mod. Money well saved.
I do still hope people will have a good time with the game.

[Actionjackson]

I mean, look, at the core i get what you are saying, but i dont think it is that important that it changes everything as you seem to imply.

[Still]

Originally posted by Basil Fawlty:

Originally posted by tanjo two guns:

Hate to say it, but here you go:

At 13:25 in this video, you'll see a merc gets seen by an enemy. The change is that now the entire enemy squad gets to react instead of just that 1 merc:

https://youtu.be/wYsHtAkhwJU?t=798

As another commentor mentioned:



There you go. Not Jagged Alliance.

Edit: The entire map will be paused while the enemy takes a turn. It's not like old JA where you are just picking people off and it's all real time. It literally pauses the game and the enemy gets to move wherever they want while you are standing there doing nothing. Totally different.

Said it before, its a xcom-mod. Money well saved.
I do still hope people will have a good time with the game.

Same. And no ill will toward these devs. But this isn't the same thing we played before. It's not like JA: Back in Action (the one I loved). It's like X-Com 2. I am not interested in X-Com 2 at the moment. In fact, I install X-Com 2 mods to disable the thing JA just added.

[Arathir]

I checked the timestamp and in this situation, it feels like it actually makes the game easier. The enemy should have their turn as they discovered the player, but instead of blasting the poorly positioned mercs, they just ran to a cover and gave the turn to the player.

Somebody please help my memory - how did it work in JA2 when you were in a real time mode and an enemy discovered you before you noticed them/started combat? Something tells me that the enemy had the first shot (at least as a interrupt), but I may be wrong.