A few issues to fix.

[Gyrant]

1.) Settings don't save, at least not display resolution and 'show damage numbers'. They have to be re-set each time the game is loaded. The state of the "farm" and "miniboss" buttons would be a nice thing to have saved, also.
2.) Smaller display resolutions are needed. At full HD, 1176 x 664 takes up a lot of display space.
3.) Cost of rebirth upgrades doesn't increase fast enough, or obtaining rebirth points is too easy. As soon as you can kill a few mega-bosses, you can basically earn infinite rebirth points and all the challenge in the game is gone. I now have 3x as many rebirth points as I need for the upgrades I should get at my next rebirth, and it feels like 'meh, what's the point, I've basically already won.'
4.) Cost of cannon-bomb power doesn't increase fast enough, or the power increases too much per upgrade level. As it currently is, you can easily keep the cannon-bomb power amount over the mob HP amount, and simply rely on it alone for killing nearly everything. The cost:effect is over-powered.
5.) Cost of missile power increases too fast, or missile power increases too slow per upgrade level. Missiles are nearly useless because their cost:effect is so much lower than everything else. I can dump a few billion more points into my missile power to get them caught up, but spending it on arrows will have far greater effect.
6.) Laser-bounce isn't working properly. A laser's first target takes damage, and the bounce targets all say "0" (even with full bounce/multiplier upgrades). I don't know if the bounce targets are taking damage and the "0" is what's wrong, or if the "0" is correct and they are actually not taking any damage. Either way, something about it is broken.

[cookies for everyone!]

I disagree, i no longer play because i completed all content it has available atm with only a 9 day long rebirth.

Rebirth points are actually very slow to accrue, slower than in other idle games where you rebirth, and the cost increase of the rebirth shop also increase more than most idle games.

The problem this game has (among many other problems) is the lack of content, an endless grind is not content, finishing all items to 100 and reaching 4500 and you are basically out of content until more is added.

[noah9942]

there is so much flat out wrong with this post it hurts. rebirth upgrades are super slow and honestly not that important after 1 or 2 rebirths. also cannon is a terrible investment, either all arrows or all laser, nothing else can even come close to comparing.

[Gyrant]

That's interesting. My experience in this game has not been at all like what you two are saying. I very quickly stacked up from about 200 rebirth points to almost 2000, and I know that will only accelerate very soon when I get my power up enough to beat the next mega-boss. And it will then accelerate further after I spend them. I needed only about 640 for meaningful progress on my next rebirth. To me, that is wildly fast. The 640 points I needed should have been a thing to work for, so that I would feel relieved and accomplished when I had at last earned it, not something I can easily zoom past and wonder where it disappeared to as I search for it in my rear-view mirror. It is much faster than any other idle/clicker game I have played.

On 1x speed, the cannon 1-hit kills all mobs, and on 2x speed, only 3-4 mobs get past between firings, and it's power increases faster than mob HP. So, if you just dump all your points into it as you go, it stays at 1-hit kill-all condition. It's not helpful against bosses, but the bosses generally melt quicker than the mobs, anyway. Maybe we're evaluating it by different measures, but from what I've seen, it's only a terrible investment because it is game-breakingly over powered and kills the fun.

Also, do you buy the gem-points (real money)? If so, this would likely impose an understandable and dramatic difference between your experience and mine. I've played only for free without buying any gems.

[noah9942]

lol no i dont buy gems with real money. how far have you gotten? only way i can understand what you're saying is if you arent that far.

if you arent playing on miniboss mode and 2x speed, you are losing out on so much. there is never a good reason to have those settings off.

clear speed is king in this game, and laser is hands down the best, with archers being just behind.

2000 rebirth points really isnt much. it takes around 20,000 to get a measly 100% bonus to things like damage, gold, ect. 100% sounds like a lot, but it really isnt. the first 3 upgrades increase by the square of the number upgrade it is (ie: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36 ect). the rest go up by the cube of the number upgrade it is (ie: 1, 8, 27, 64, 125, 216, ect), these kinds of gains are pretty slow, even compared to other idle games. the game just doesnt have the content that others like it do.

the game has been the same for years now, from back when it was on Kongregate. even back then, cannon and missiles were known for being really bad.

[Gyrant]

I stopped around level 800 (I think). The game had been running straight forward hands-free for hours with no sign of slowing down and that was around when I got the sensation that there was no point in continuing. I realize a few thousand rebirth points is only the beginning of what should be needed before reaching the end, but AT THE BEGINNING (which is where I had just come from), it makes a huge difference from zero and it really shouldn't be dumped on you all at once without needing to earn it somehow.

I assume everybody uses the miniboss and speed modes. As you said, "[T]here is never a good reason to have those settings off." and they make it pretty obvious.

I wasn't aware this game was by Kongregate. Had I known that, I never would have touched it.

[noah9942]

it's not by kongregate, but was on there for years prior to it's steam release. and 800 really isnt that far, takes less than a day to get there. it's like playing the first act of a 5 act game and talking like you're an expert on the pacing and scaling of the game's mechanics. of course things are gonna be much easier and more lenient early on.

[Gyrant]

You seem to be missing the point entirely... and it's not like this is a complicated game, as if expertise on it would mean anything, or as if progressing through it is an outstanding accomplishment to take pride in. All I did was offer some feedback for the developers on my impressions from playing the game. Game developers (and media creators in general) need that from theirs users. There's really no reason to get so sensitive about it.

[shadow_☼]

some more bugs mabey
you cant reset power gems and there is no way to turn the homing mode on the rocktes of or adjust the way they lock

[Strickove]

Originally posted by noah9942:

it's not by kongregate, but was on there for years prior to it's steam release. and 800 really isnt that far, takes less than a day to get there. it's like playing the first act of a 5 act game and talking like you're an expert on the pacing and scaling of the game's mechanics. of course things are gonna be much easier and more lenient early on.

levelling exclusively cannonbomb will carry you all the way to 4500 with hardly any farming time spent to progress. It genuinely does scale in dmg absurdly high for the cost scalar it has, and it's wide aoe clears almost whole waves.

I'm also getting the laser bounce bug described, where the direct hits from each dual laser do full dmg, but subsequent bounces target erratically and deal 0's.

[noah9942]

man this is an old thread. idk if things have been changed, but i remember lasers were the best overall thing to focus your resources into. archers were pretty good too, but lasers generally beat them out slightly in terms of clear speed. Cannons and missiles give way less while costing way more.