I need urgent help with `Nosom` (Wielder of the red axe)... I assume only David Bal can help...

[stefan4sozimnet]

Hello,

my english might not be good, I am not a natural born speaker. So, it seems that I made a big mistake and now I am not able to kill Nosom:
I choosed the way of not killing the first group of bandits to get to Nosom without killing this first mob. Only after clearing nearly everything else, I realised, that I am not good enough to kill Nosom without being able to pull the group out with aggro and by doing this being able to seperate the enemies and kill them one by one. I am playing on `oldschool` and I tried killing Nosom for about 20 hours. Even with my hole group being level 4, with 10 healing potions and with the help of `the fountain of protection` I am not even geting near to kill the whole group. I really don`t have the time to completely start all over (I alredy spent 75 hours).
Therefore I need to ask for help:
David Bal, is there a way to reset the talk with the smaller group so that I can kill the small group so that I will later be able to get Nosoms aggro as soon as I come near to him?
I am willing to send my logfile to David Bal.
I loved Exiled Kingdoms and I spent hundreds of ours playing EK and I also love Archaelund. But being totally stuck makes me feel sad and helpless :-(

Can you save me by editing my savegame or might it even be possible to add an option to the game to attack the first group even if you have convinced them to let you pass before?

Best regards an all the best!

[nola2172]

WIthout knowing who all is in your party, if you have 6 characters at level 4, you should be able to pull this off. One key is to focus fire on Nosom himself - killing him will stun everyone else for about a turn and a half, which should give you enough time to recover and turn the tide.

[zatia.francois]

i m not trying to be mean but, sometime, you people need to keep in mind that its only the early access and that no need to rush anything or being too attached to your progression because things can changes with any major update and could make your current progression unvalide. now back to your concern, why playing in old school difficulty in the first place? i understand that some of you ask for Challenge, but if you are not that much experienced with the overal game system and skills, by testing on lower difficulty to learn, how would you expect harder challenge? even if Devs can edit you savedata, i dont thing it will help since the last enemy on this current early access is way more harder to defeat that the wielder of the red axe even with best gear. if you have hard time to pass this quest, the 6 Mechaedon will make you hate his game without a good understanding of trait and nuker class/tank etc.. just saying.
my advice for you will be to restart the game, get a low difficulty your line up will be : Body guard( make sure to give him defensive stance as skill at level3 i guess), get 2 apprentices or nuker( impetus school/fire arrow) and lastly charmer or barbarian. experiment with them , and if you want to go even faster, there are some tuto to complete every quest currently available in the game on Youtube.

Good luck

[JIK]

good advise above but i think that killing the healer first is better then nosom.

[nola2172]

Originally posted by JIK:

good advise above but i think that killing the healer first is better then nosom.

Yes, that too. I always have talked to him while right next to the healer. Then she starts next to all of my characters and is easy to drop quickly.

[DavidBVal]

Sorry but the only case in which I will edit saved games in where a bug could cause a player to lose data. Even in those cases, editing saves is delicate and I'd do as a last resort. I can forget to set a flag related to an npc or to the quest, and corrupt data. In any case, the game autosaves afer every fight and area transition, so you can just return to that.

[stretch]

OK so I did this on cruel and survived.
Thing is that if you win the conversation checks you do in fact end up in this situation and it's a rough one.
I had to leave it till near the end of the current content and have a team of six. Four were level 4 but the 2 companions were like three and two as that's where they start out.

Like @nola2172 says the trick is to take out the leader first. Burn him down. I am not sure but I think there are several possible leader types in that fight but whichever one it is isn't hard to figure and it's probably Nosom.
Once that enemy dies the rest get demoralised? and become a lot less effective for a while. I don't recall how long but it's a while and they pretty much fall over by themselves. I don't know if it's the 'turn and a half' because it seemed a lot longer for me but maybe it's the stun for a turn and a half and demoralised for longer. Whatever it is you really want to get him first and go from there.

When I hit this initially I had to ask if there was a way to start combat manually but there isn't and it would probably break some things if there was. It's one of the harder fights currently in the game and it struck me as odd that the more conversation checks you succeed at the harder the resulting fight is. It's actually a lot easier to just charge in killing everyone in both camps than following the quest line.

edit - Oh and I was worried the guards at the gate would kill me because my group was almost wiped in that fight and I couldn't possibly fight them afterwards but they do not agro you when you leave.

[agris]

Originally posted by stretch:

[...] it struck me as odd that the more conversation checks you succeed at the harder the resulting fight is. It's actually a lot easier to just charge in killing everyone in both camps than following the quest line.

maybe it's changed in the 783 beta vs what you played, but i just finished killing Nosom and his gang tonight and it's the opposite of "the more conversation checks you succeed at the harder the resulting fight is". If you sweet talk your way past the mooks guarding the canyon, you approach Nosom's camp unharmed. Then, you can talk to Nosom and attack him via dialogue such that it catches him and the camp unawares, giving you an initiative bonus *and* applied variable amounts of STUN I-IV to all the camp followers (mooks at canyon entrance do not join fight). Further, you get to define where your party is in relation to Nosom, the caster, and the rest of the camp followers by deciding where you stand before you start dialogue with Nosom. This means you can begin the fight with your front liners right in engagement range of the caster and Nosom.

I couldn't beat this fight with my first party, going in the hard way killing everyone on sight. Being my first, I made a lot of chargen mistakes and it was a low DPS party. This is my second party and I know much better what I'm doing and it was not challenging (on old school). Rank 2 impetus spells with a 10 AP caster is pretty devastating, and a teleporting paralyzing 2h melee witch isn't too shabby either.

[stretch]

Originally posted by agris:

Originally posted by stretch:

[...] it struck me as odd that the more conversation checks you succeed at the harder the resulting fight is. It's actually a lot easier to just charge in killing everyone in both camps than following the quest line.

maybe it's changed in the 783 beta vs what you played, but i just finished killing Nosom and his gang tonight and it's the opposite of "the more conversation checks you succeed at the harder the resulting fight is". If you sweet talk your way past the mooks guarding the canyon, you approach Nosom's camp unharmed. Then, you can talk to Nosom and attack him via dialogue such that it catches him and the camp unawares, giving you an initiative bonus *and* applied variable amounts of STUN I-IV to all the camp followers (mooks at canyon entrance do not join fight). Further, you get to define where your party is in relation to Nosom, the caster, and the rest of the camp followers by deciding where you stand before you start dialogue with Nosom. This means you can begin the fight with your front liners right in engagement range of the caster and Nosom.

I couldn't beat this fight with my first party, going in the hard way killing everyone on sight. Being my first, I made a lot of chargen mistakes and it was a low DPS party. This is my second party and I know much better what I'm doing and it was not challenging (on old school). Rank 2 impetus spells with a 10 AP caster is pretty devastating, and a teleporting paralyzing 2h melee witch isn't too shabby either.

It's harder because you are set up in the middle of every enemy there.
When you are on cruel difficulty every one of those bosses has about 70hp and the rest have a tonne more hp as well.
It's far easier if you don't do the talking because you can easily kill the gate guards and then lure the Nosom group out and split them into manageable chunks.

I say it's a lot harder starting among 10 enemies that can all kill you in one round than picking them off as they approach you a few at a time. They are melee hitting you in the first round.
Sometimes you can even split them into two groups if you kite far enough and other times they can bug out pathing and hook up on terrain for a bit slowing them down as well.
AoE attacks are harder to get off because you are among them and take friendly fire so lining up those shots is harder.

The stun helps for sure but it doesn't last long enough to do a great deal of good on cruel, not by a long shot. I survived with a couple barely standing I think.

There are mechanics that help with this fight built into it for sure that make it doable and later on in development you could just come back at a higher level but for now it's still a lot easier not doing it that way. I have done it both ways and cheesing it is vastly easier.

[stefan4sozimnet]

Thank you very much for all your help and for the answer of the dev!
Yesterday, with the help of a friend of mine, I was able to nail that fight. I tried not to use all my spell points, because I was afraid to choose the wrong spells. But with the help of `Firebolt` and a strong healing spell for my mage healer, my college was able th defeat the group. Took him about 2,5 hours of trying.

[Senenleigh]

when you kill Nosom the other bandits become stunned for a long while. Two channels work really well here. CC is nice as well either dazing or rooting. Nosom has quite a bit of hp but not much in the way of armor or evasion, should not be much of a problem to focus down.