Official stance on excessive "sparking" in career mode?

[jsolly]

I prefer not spending time tinkering with setups, I load one of the 5 presets and away I go. I'm in career mode season 3 in f1 2019, car upgraded significantly, and the car is scraping all over the place, sparks everywhere on replays...

The car is still wicked fast, but the assault on my eyes and ears had me sadly give up on career mode, which is a true shame, as I really enjoy it outside of this issue. This excessive scraping/sparking is a long-standing issue that appears to have not been addressed, and is now carried over to 2020 from what I've read.

In career mode, am I sentenced to using custom setups / endless setup tinkering, to get the car to not scrape the ground the whole time? I prefer my time to be spent on mainly driving and not having to also be the mechanics that setup the cars. Is there a stance on this issue either way, just so I'm not in limbo waiting for f1 2020 to be patched of this issue if there is no intention to address it? I haven't bought 2020 yet, but this will factor into my decision.

[KRON]

If your car scrapes the floor too much that means your car height is too low.

[rotax]

i dont see how you think this will be patched out, or if its an issue.

its literally part of the car thats designed to scrape and create sparks, as it was a major visual aspect from a spectator side of things from the 80s when the cars where running so low and would scrape the ground.

now the cars are fitting with a skidblock/plank/titanium to stop cars running so low but this is now what creates the sparks.


ive never had an issue with the game being excessive on sparks, and tbh i dont even notice it unless im physically looking for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ICLz1_nRj0

[jsolly]

I use the preset setups. I'm in third season with the car upgraded significantly. The car is sparking probably 70% of the lap (and there is the faint scraping sound as well). It's excessive, and annoys me, because this amount is not realistic. I've watched F1 for 30+ years, I'm familiar with cars bottoming out AT TIMES. And I LIKE THAT, but not for the full length of pretty much every high speed stretch.

I understand I can try to solve by resorting to trying custom setups, but I don't want to waste time with the engineers / mechanics job, because I'm the driver, not the mechanics. I've abandoned Career mode because of this, and am currently enjoying Championship and Grand Prix mode, as the cars are not upgradeable, so have standard amounts of 'sparking' that doesn't get worse with upgrades (as in career mode). I'm so worked up about it because I really like the career mode, but this one niggle has really killed it for me.

If it is not an issue for you, that's fine, but it is definitely an issue for me. I would have bought @ full price if there was some decent feedback on the issue of excessive sparking in career mode, but I'll just wait until the end of the season for a wicked sale.

[KRON]

Originally posted by jsolly:

I use the preset setups. I'm in third season with the car upgraded significantly. The car is sparking probably 70% of the lap (and there is the faint scraping sound as well). It's excessive, and annoys me, because this amount is not realistic. I've watched F1 for 30+ years, I'm familiar with cars bottoming out AT TIMES. And I LIKE THAT, but not for the full length of pretty much every high speed stretch.

I understand I can try to solve by resorting to trying custom setups, but I don't want to waste time with the engineers / mechanics job, because I'm the driver, not the mechanics. I've abandoned Career mode because of this, and am currently enjoying Championship and Grand Prix mode, as the cars are not upgradeable, so have standard amounts of 'sparking' that doesn't get worse with upgrades (as in career mode). I'm so worked up about it because I really like the career mode, but this one niggle has really killed it for me.

If it is not an issue for you, that's fine, but it is definitely an issue for me. I would have bought @ full price if there was some decent feedback on the issue of excessive sparking in career mode, but I'll just wait until the end of the season for a wicked sale.

-> complains about the sparking
-> knows how to fix it
-> refuses to because reasons
-> thinks it's the problem of the game
Did get it right?

Oh, and btw, the engineers are making adjustments to the car not on the whim but based on the driver's feedback.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by jsolly:

I use the preset setups. I'm in third season with the car upgraded significantly. The car is sparking probably 70% of the lap (and there is the faint scraping sound as well). It's excessive, and annoys me, because this amount is not realistic. I've watched F1 for 30+ years, I'm familiar with cars bottoming out AT TIMES. And I LIKE THAT, but not for the full length of pretty much every high speed stretch.

Do you know, what's also unrealistic? Using preset setups.

Each track, each drivers driving style and each car is different. And if you're driving in career, the car-thing even gets way more important. You're literally adding dozens, if not hundreds of of kilos of aerodynamic weight onto the car, when raising the downforce with new parts while not changing anything on the car, which obviously causes the car to scratch more on the track. So don't start to demand it being more realistic, if you don't even know, what happens in real circumstances.

And it's not like the sparking isn't important at all. If it is getting too much it is a good sign, that your car sits too low. So just changing it would just take away an easy way to tell, what you should change on your setup.

Originally posted by jsolly:

I understand I can try to solve by resorting to trying custom setups, but I don't want to waste time with the engineers / mechanics job, because I'm the driver, not the mechanics.

Mechanics can only change something, if you're giving feedback. So just sitting there silently is like telling them to not change anything, as you're literally telling them, that everything is fine.

[jsolly]

Got it. If I want to do career mode, I should delve into setups. I'll stick with championship / grand prix, get 2020 in fall/winter if a big sale hits. As a side note, I'd take a stab-in-the-dark guess that engineers would upon visually observing their car (never mind the data gathering systems) grinding the track a new surface, take the initiative to adjust the car. But whatever, I didn't realize that the driver was the only source of feedback, and nothing is done without driver direction.

[KRON]

Originally posted by jsolly:

Got it. If I want to do career mode, I should delve into setups. I'll stick with championship / grand prix, get 2020 in fall/winter if a big sale hits. As a side note, I'd take a stab-in-the-dark guess that engineers would upon visually observing their car (never mind the data gathering systems) grinding the track a new surface, take the initiative to adjust the car. But whatever, I didn't realize that the driver was the only source of feedback, and nothing is done without driver direction.

Well, yes, because it's gonna be driver's life and championship on the line, not engineers'. So they won't touch the car without driver's say so.

[Maya-Neko]

Yeah, they could do that, but it's a game after all and therefore the player gets the full control over their car. Would be totally crap, if the AI starts to mess around with your settings, especially when it can't really tell how good you're performing (just take a look at tyre recommendations, where Jeff might ask you to change tyres, just because you made one single mistake at one turn, where you drifted for a short time)

[jsolly]

Maya-Neko, yeah, I hear you. Only so much the game can do I suppose, and I don't have an engineer in my home to do my setups... :D I do still enjoy it tremendously, through Grand Prix 2, 3, and 4, and the entire Nascar series from Papyrus, it's truly amazing how far these games have come. Nothing can be perfect, and we are so lucky to get this close to F1.

[Bumblebro]

I was using the in game setups like 60% of the time or so and i didnt "scrape" like crazy.

Everything was pretty much smooth sailing, you sure you didnt mess with anything?

You can also try workshop setups. I am using those almost always nowadays because they are def. better than the standart presets =)

Just go nuts and try a few!

[KRON]

Originally posted by ⓞⓙ ⓒⓤⓜⓢⓞⓝ:

I was using the in game setups like 60% of the time or so and i didnt "scrape" like crazy.

Everything was pretty much smooth sailing, you sure you didnt mess with anything?

You can also try workshop setups. I am using those almost always nowadays because they are def. better than the standart presets =)

Just go nuts and try a few!

Oh, that would depend on which setups he was using, because both maximum downforce and maximum top speed could cause sparking(maximum downforce because of, well, downforce and max top speed because of very low car height).

[jsolly]

I'll use balanced or the next one with less downforce for the vast majority of tracks, max top speed preset for Mexico, Italy, & Azerbaijan, and the next one with more downforce than balanced for singapore & hungary, and max downforce preset for only Monaco. Sorry if confusing, I can't remember the names for the 'in between' presets! And yeah, I'm getting constant sparking above say 100mph. Example: I come out of hairpin in Canada, and within 2-3 seconds I start a constant stream of sparks all the way to the braking zone for the wall of champions. This is just an example... Any straight where I'm up over 100mph, and I'm sparking constantly until the braking zone. And I can guarantee I'm not changing the setups, I just can't stand spending time diddling with them! My issue... :D I seem to be in the vast minority with this issue, though I have seen a few posts from others. Thanks for insight on workshop setups. Thanks all for the insight!

[teremaster]

It takes 5 seconds to increase your ride height. You're making setups sound way harder than they actually are.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by jsolly:

Maya-Neko, yeah, I hear you. Only so much the game can do I suppose, and I don't have an engineer in my home to do my setups... :D I do still enjoy it tremendously, through Grand Prix 2, 3, and 4, and the entire Nascar series from Papyrus, it's truly amazing how far these games have come. Nothing can be perfect, and we are so lucky to get this close to F1.

Why do you keep referring to doing your set ups as an 'engineers' job? I mean bro... Are there are a lot of corners? Use more downforce... Is your backend constant slipping out? Soften rear suspension/increase rear downforce.

I'm not an engineer, I don't follow F1 that closely and I sure as ♥♥♥♥ don't know anything about race cars. But this is all common sense.

I mean as an alternative, you could just download the Gattik set ups from the workshop. I use them in online and I'm regularly outpacing 90% of the drivers I come up against.

[jsolly]

Thanks all, I have all the info I need.