Collusion : friends before the game

[legerateur]

Hi, fellow Lords. Several of my recent games have been plagued by players knowing each other before the game and forming a secret alliance. Of course, they did not state this fact at the start of the game and denied when accused of collusion.

If you check the games history of those players, you can see they almost always play together.

I have identified 2 pairs of them :

- "Marblue" and "A showmaker"
- "Bastl Wastl" and "Metmaschine1989"

Of course I reported them and put them on my "Ignore" list.

Do you know any other players that cheat this way ? Thanks

[pawelcio134]

Well, I don't actually know if it's forbidden, as it's way more fun to play with friends, but it's true that it spoils the fun for others. I don't think many people play this way.

[muskadnm]

Additionally GUARDSMAN + Putin1 (formerly Artyun94) they always play together without notification. Guardsman is also toxic.

[muskadnm]

Also alexxkingg and shonsyk

[Ephemerant]

AGOT the Board Game is about forming alliances to pursue your own ends. Going into a game with people you know or secretly forming alliances is not cheating. This exact thing happens when playing the game around a table as well. I understand that you don't like it, I know the feeling, but it's part of the game. If you can't handle that, maybe it isn't the game for you.

[muskadnm]

Sinsational please do not talk bull..it. There is a rule that you can talk but open - there is no problem when two friends are going with instant alliance, as far as its known for the rest. In normal game you probably do not whisper to your friend during the game, but rather talk things openly, do you? Or you walk with your ally out of the Board Game for 5 minutes quickie and get back with the plan? Do you?

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by muskadnm:

Sinsational please do not talk bull..it. There is a rule that you can talk but open - there is no problem when two friends are going with instant alliance, as far as its known for the rest. In normal game you probably do not whisper to your friend during the game, but rather talk things openly, do you? Or you walk with your ally out of the Board Game for 5 minutes quickie and get back with the plan? Do you?

Lol What rule?

And yeah, in a normal game at the table, it's not uncommon for people to be texting each other to form secret alliances. Honestly, it just seems like you're salty and don't know how to play the social aspect of the game, which is a huge part of it. When people come into the game with an instant alliance, you know what you do? You talk to the other people at the table to work with you against them. If they don't, then do your best, and move on to the next game. It's really not as nefarious as you're making it out to be.

[muskadnm]

Ok - let's reverse it. Why revealing here or elsewhere that some players play together is bad? It is not harmfull and I recommend each player to check on Asmodee before first round if there are players that play frequently together - just to adjust movements from round 1.

Playing with friends still you can observe if someone is texting as crazy to other friend, if someone is going for a cigarette break with each other to talk - its not possible online.

[Ephemerant]

You're calling them out because you think they're cheating and you're mad about it. How is that not harmful? They're doing nothing wrong. If they were hacking? Sure, I would 100% understand calling them out. But you're specifically listing their names, calling them cheaters, reporting and blocking them.

This honestly reeks of petty childish rage.

[muskadnm]

Originally posted by muskadnm:

Additionally GUARDSMAN + Putin1 (formerly Artyun94) they always play together without notification. Guardsman is also toxic.

Dude - please tell me where I named them cheats. This is just notification for others to be AWARE starting game with this guys and to ADJUST tactics. I guess you are one of them. This discussion is to make other aware - its not cheating , as you said every moves are legal in GOT - so this is also ok ;)

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by legerateur:

Hi, fellow Lords. Several of my recent games have been plagued by players knowing each other before the game and forming a secret alliance. Of course, they did not state this fact at the start of the game and denied when accused of collusion.

If you check the games history of those players, you can see they almost always play together.

I have identified 2 pairs of them :

- "Marblue" and "A showmaker"
- "Bastl Wastl" and "Metmaschine1989"

Of course I reported them and put them on my "Ignore" list.

Do you know any other players that cheat this way ? Thanks

Umm... your FIRST POST? You literally say you reported them, blocked them, and then called it cheating. How are you this dense? Seriously.

[nolaJeff]

Originally posted by Sinsational:

Originally posted by legerateur:

Hi, fellow Lords. Several of my recent games have been plagued by players knowing each other before the game and forming a secret alliance. Of course, they did not state this fact at the start of the game and denied when accused of collusion.

If you check the games history of those players, you can see they almost always play together.

I have identified 2 pairs of them :

- "Marblue" and "A showmaker"
- "Bastl Wastl" and "Metmaschine1989"

Of course I reported them and put them on my "Ignore" list.

Do you know any other players that cheat this way ? Thanks

Umm... your FIRST POST? You literally say you reported them, blocked them, and then called it cheating. How are you this dense? Seriously.

LOL, that's an entirely different person you're quoting there. You might want to actually read who it's from before leveling accusations.

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by nolaJeff:

Originally posted by Sinsational:

Umm... your FIRST POST? You literally say you reported them, blocked them, and then called it cheating. How are you this dense? Seriously.

LOL, that's an entirely different person you're quoting there. You might want to actually read who it's from before leveling accusations.

Wow, you're completely right. I skimmed because of no profile pic and the same whiny tone. I'll have to look closer in the future.

[Xrystofer]

Originally posted by Sinsational:

You're calling them out because you think they're cheating and you're mad about it. How is that not harmful? They're doing nothing wrong. If they were hacking? Sure, I would 100% understand calling them out. But you're specifically listing their names, calling them cheaters, reporting and blocking them.

This honestly reeks of petty childish rage.

If they are doing nothing wrong why would they lie that they are friends and play frequently together?

Why would anyone in their right mind play with people that are colluding before the game even starts? Hard pass on that.

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by Xrystofer:

Originally posted by Sinsational:

You're calling them out because you think they're cheating and you're mad about it. How is that not harmful? They're doing nothing wrong. If they were hacking? Sure, I would 100% understand calling them out. But you're specifically listing their names, calling them cheaters, reporting and blocking them.

This honestly reeks of petty childish rage.

If they are doing nothing wrong why would they lie that they are friends and play frequently together?

Why would anyone in their right mind play with people that are colluding before the game even starts? Hard pass on that.

I can't speak for them. Maybe they didn't want to deal with people's reactions, since the general reaction to it on steam is to whine and complain, when the board game is actually designed for this type of play.

Because collusion doesn't automatically make them good. Like I said before, the social aspect of the game is a huge part of it, and no one playing the video game version really gets that from what I can tell. You can get the rest of the lobby to even the scales.

Every game I have to go out of my way to try and get the people playing to communicate. AGOT isn't supposed to be paint by numbers, but here we are, watching robots making the same moves every game no matter what else is going on in different locations. Of course you're going to have a bad time in that kind of stale environment when others are coming in with an advantage.

[Gomer]

What a silly post, and people wonder why multiplayer is dead with a community like this.