Worst thing about this game?

[Nats]

The fact that is you lose a scenario you have to play it all again to progress through the campaign. There is no opportunity to continue otherwise. This fact on its own makes this game extremely frustrating for me. I cant keep replaying the same scenario over and over till I win?

What a pants mechanic. I mean its ok in an arcade game but not in a strategy game. Maybe I should lower the difficulty to the lowest level but surely that will make every mission far too easy then?

The game also comes with only about 4 scenarios. That is really poor, you got loads with the original Panzer General games. So you have little option but to play the campaigns and replay each scenario over and over until you win.

So annoying. And so glad I got this free on Gamepass and didnt buy it.

[Accolon]

You talk about single scenarios?
Because you get a whole campaign with the game.

You have difficulty level for a reason.

[Nats]

Originally posted by Accolon:

You talk about single scenarios?
Because you get a whole campaign with the game.

You have difficulty level for a reason.

Whats the point in having a campaign if you can never get to play all the missions? Because it becomes less and less likely you will ever see the later ones. You must have to play over and over again several missions in order to finish one campaign. That is actually not much fun.

[SPAMBO]

Originally posted by Nats:

Maybe I should lower the difficulty to the lowest level but surely that will make every mission far too easy then?

I think there are 5 settings. Perhaps try the 2nd to lowest difficulty then?

[Boredflak]

Regardless of setting chosen, there is save game feature. Simply save the game as a unique file name before you start a scenario. Then if you fail that scenario you can reload the save and play it again without playing through the previous parts of the campaign. Once you complete the current scenario save the file again with the same name so you have the current scenario save point to reload as needed.

[Mulletguts]

I usually try to pinpoint where my strategy went wrong and reload from there. For example, reload at an earlier point in the game.

[Nats]

That's still a pain.

They could have got over this whole thing quite easily by enabling you to continue even if you lose the mission, but with a reduced core set of units, or leave several of your units still damaged etc etc.

There are many ways to enable the player to continue through the campaign and enjoy the game despite losing. But no they have opted for the crappiest, most annoying linear campaign design possible. A load of monkeys could have come up with a better game design lol.

I used to have Panzer General and this issue was the same in that game as well. In that game I lost the invasion of France and never continued the game because I couldnt bear to go back and do the last scenario all over again.

They still havent figured out a better design - yet they spent many many development hours improving the graphics and sounds? Which are good. But .... priorities ???

[ken_lawr]

Have you printed the manual and read it? It is a must to do this. Then look at the postings on how to make your General's attributes work the best way. Start with the Spanish Campaign at the lowest level. Also read all the comments on how to play this game as they are very helpful. Also make sure you read the posting about caches and commendations. Get all the bonus requirements as you get lots of free equipment, most of which is better than yours. Be certain to take the

[ken_lawr]

caches.

[Nats]

Originally posted by ken_lawr:

Have you printed the manual and read it? It is a must to do this. Then look at the postings on how to make your General's attributes work the best way. Start with the Spanish Campaign at the lowest level. Also read all the comments on how to play this game as they are very helpful. Also make sure you read the posting about caches and commendations. Get all the bonus requirements as you get lots of free equipment, most of which is better than yours. Be certain to take the

No idea what game you are playing but there is no Spanish Campaign in my game. And no 'caches' either.

[Luxor]

Originally posted by Nats:

Originally posted by ken_lawr:

Have you printed the manual and read it? It is a must to do this. Then look at the postings on how to make your General's attributes work the best way. Start with the Spanish Campaign at the lowest level. Also read all the comments on how to play this game as they are very helpful. Also make sure you read the posting about caches and commendations. Get all the bonus requirements as you get lots of free equipment, most of which is better than yours. Be certain to take the

No idea what game you are playing but there is no Spanish Campaign in my game. And no 'caches' either.

That would be the DLC grand campaign. Spanish civil war is the first one. And in the grand campaign you can find caches of equipment.

As to the OP - The problem with continuing even if you lose is that if you lost a mission there's a good chance your army is badly beat up and the next mission will be even harder.

Maybe try taking the difficulty level down a notch.

[SPAMBO]

Originally posted by Nats:

They could have got over this whole thing quite easily by enabling you to continue even if you lose the mission, but with a reduced core set of units, or leave several of your units still damaged etc etc.

You must be posting simply to post. If you lost a given scenario, why would a dev allow you to continue on to the next scenario but with a diminished capacity (less cores/damage)? Wouldn't it be more likely you'd lose that scenario as well?

[Sviothiod]

The inherent idea of a campaign is earned progress, in any game. You don't get to kill the endboss without finishing all the quests before. It's like this in Skyrim, it's like this in Command & Conquer, it's like this even in Hearts of Iron to a degree.

It seems you only want a collection of scenarios. That's not the idea of this game though.

[Nats]

Yes many games use this old design methodology and they are all frustrating. Exactly why i dont play games with bosses in them.

Linear campaigns like this are such a lazy mechanic that forces players into frustration as they try to complete the game. Too much like hard work for me.

You would think they would have improved on it for the new game. But no, still the same old slog. I wonder if anyone has actually finished a campaign in this game. Must take patience and diligence that I dont have.

What happens when you lose the scenario twice? Got to play it a third time? How on earth is that supposed to be fun?

[Boredflak]

LOL you wonder if anyone has actually finished a campaign? The design is not flawed here. There are many of us that have finished every campaign in the base game and the DLC's many times.

If you lose a scenario it ends your campaign BUT there are ways I have posted earlier in the thread to not have to go back and play through the entire campaign. There is even a restart the scenario option in the end scene of the scenario. Losing is part of war gaming, It is better to win but it is still part of it.

Losing can be fun because it means the game is challenging you, and HOPEFULLY you are learning from your mistakes.

[Droogan]

If your losing scenarios your are likely missing the finer points of how to play the game correctly. That is not to say that higher difficulties can't be very challenging but understanding the fundamentals of combined arms warfare within the context of the game rules, makes losing a rare occurrence, if properly understood.

Are you attacking tanks with infantry in the wide open? Are you using tanks to try and dislodge entrenched infantry in urban or hill hexes? Do you have fighter coverage for your tactical bombers, arty coverage for your infantry or anti-tank coverage for your armor? These basic mechanics 99% of the time mean the difference between a slog and cake walk.

There are some great intro videos out there on the important basic tactics you need to employ to be successful. You can also consider adjusting the advanced settings to make the game more forgiving until you get the hang of it (unlimited undos, more general traits, lowered combat randomness etc.).

There is nothing wrong with adjusting the game until you are ready to ratchet up the difficulty. I do think it is strange that you view the game as poorly designed when really some effort to learn proper play would make losing and restarting scenarios a much rarer occurrence.