Is Klin really the end of AO 1941?

[scottbowyer]

Klin was quite a harried battle, and I stayed up late to finish it. However, after the debriefing it went abruptly back to the main menu. No "Your core force has been saved" or any other such message. I re-ran the end of the scenario after the recent patch and it stayed the same.

Is Klin really the last scenario of 1941 campaign? I was expecting some more stopping the winter offense ending about March of 1942 to be taken over by the 1942 campaign.

Anybody know if the core force gets saved as usual?

[UBERALAN]

Originally posted by scottbowyer:

Klin was quite a harried battle, and I stayed up late to finish it. However, after the debriefing it went abruptly back to the main menu. No "Your core force has been saved" or any other such message. I re-ran the end of the scenario after the recent patch and it stayed the same.

Is Klin really the last scenario of 1941 campaign? I was expecting some more stopping the winter offense ending about March of 1942 to be taken over by the 1942 campaign.

Anybody know if the core force gets saved as usual?

Yup it is, thats the way it does it. Ive written asking for an end splash screen or something as a reward and yes, your core is saved and is imported when the next DLC is out. It is very unsatisfying I must say. Only bad thing about the game is the end experience.

[Leistungsumfang]

I killed all enemy units and captured all flags in this one. And then as usual "we are forced to retreat"...

[UBERALAN]

Originally posted by Leistungsumfang:

I killed all enemy units and captured all flags in this one. And then as usual "we are forced to retreat"...

Yeah i really hate how no matter what the reason you still get slapped back with reality. The campaigns really should allow branching in positive and negative ways based on how you do. Would be more work for the devs but worth it.

[christopher.367]

What a load....Take all objectives for Moscow...and yet....retreating and fighting a ♥♥♥♥ rearguard action as if I was defeated in this 1941 Campaign....makes me doubt buying the other campaign if it is all gonna end in defeat with no alt history options....pffft!

[Accolon]

Guys, let me give a quick hint before you blame any Developer for not giving you the opportunity to "change" history. First in this DLC you can actually Raid Moscow which never happend. Second the German forces at the Gates of Moscow had a strength of 15-30% max of their originally power. You can overrun Moscow with 110 CS? But you should have only 40-45 max. to do the job....Try it with just 40...Changes the whole Game for ya^^

[Magni]

Originally posted by christopher.367:

What a load....Take all objectives for Moscow...and yet....retreating and fighting a ♥♥♥♥ rearguard action as if I was defeated in this 1941 Campaign....makes me doubt buying the other campaign if it is all gonna end in defeat with no alt history options....pffft!

Your force is ultimately something like a single corps spearheading the push on Moscow. The soviet counteroffensive is pushing back the entirety of Army Group Center. Doesn't matter if you weathered the portion that hits you, your only option remains to fall back with AGC, because else you'd get left behind, cut off and overwhelmed.

[MOH]

Originally posted by Magni:

Your force is ultimately something like a single corps spearheading the push on Moscow. The soviet counteroffensive is pushing back the entirety of Army Group Center. Doesn't matter if you weathered the portion that hits you, your only option remains to fall back with AGC, because else you'd get left behind, cut off and overwhelmed.

Except you crushed entire defense force of moscow and it's surrounding areas, crushed all reinforcements that came to help said force and broken through soviet backlines. So, center(or so) of soviet counterattack is gone. This leaves you in position to get behind northern/west or southern/east wing of soviet counterattack and stop entire attack dead in its tracks.

This "HQ: congratulations for capturing mosco... oh wait you actually lost/were pushed back away" meme is getting really old.

[Magni]

Originally posted by MOH (Laf):

Except you crushed entire defense force of moscow and it's surrounding areas, crushed all reinforcements that came to help said force and broken through soviet backlines. So, center(or so) of soviet counterattack is gone. This leaves you in position to get behind northern/west or southern/east wing of soviet counterattack and stop entire attack dead in its tracks.

This "HQ: congratulations for capturing mosco... oh wait you actually lost/were pushed back away" meme is getting really old.

Which makes no damn difference. Because that remains but a small part of the general counteroffensive, and you've stretched your logistics beyond the breaking point. (Hence why you can only deploy like half as much during Klin.) Putting a pencil brwakthrough through a small portion of the soviet coutnerattack is meaningless. You're not in any position to get behind anything. Not without your force then sitting behind said wing without any fuel, ammo or winter equipment, so have fun dying to the elements alone even before any soviet reserves or rear-area forces clean up the pitiful remains of your suicidal little attempt.

This inability of whiny players to understand logisticts, or the sheer scale of the eastern front, is what's getting really old.

[MOH]

Originally posted by Magni:

Which makes no damn difference. Because that remains but a small part of the general counteroffensive, and you've stretched your logistics beyond the breaking point. (Hence why you can only deploy like half as much during Klin.) Putting a pencil brwakthrough through a small portion of the soviet coutnerattack is meaningless. You're not in any position to get behind anything. Not without your force then sitting behind said wing without any fuel, ammo or winter equipment, so have fun dying to the elements alone even before any soviet reserves or rear-area forces clean up the pitiful remains of your suicidal little attempt.

This inability of whiny players to understand logisticts, or the sheer scale of the eastern front, is what's getting really old.

and this "small part of general offence" wiped WIDE front around moscow. Distance from norther outskirt of moscow to tula is over 200KM. Just pencil breakthrough... are you completely out of touch with reality or something?

It is no surprise that you get little supplies in Klin, because general retreat is happening and main supply dumps are being moved and entrenched deeper into the friendly territory, no sane command would send loads of supplies to territory which is about to be abandoned to the enemy. You are left with enough supplies to entrench and hold. Not too difficult to comprehend, no?

in case you didnt notice game allows you break into enemy's staging area behind bunkers and wipe it, aka soviet supplies, reserve/rear forces, etc with orders to push away your army from moscow ARE GONE... and it was done without winter gear(and when does game mentions you DON'T have winter gear? Game doesn't follow historical events at 100% in case you didnt notice). There is nothing left in surrounding areas to contest you for days.

Let's go back to Tula, by capturing and crushing forces around it you make life for eastern wing of army group center much easier, forces which supposed to attack them via moscow are too crushed by army you control. aka Army group center eastern wing only needs to defend around half frontline compared to historical events. And lets not forget they have more men and gear to defend, because your army is taking the center, thus letting army center to field more men in their frontlines. Soviet offence toward this direction is doomed to fail, thus securing your supply lines too.

So, center crushed, east and supply lines are secured. This allows your army to launch attack toward volga and get behind number of soviet forces fighting west wing of army group center, inflicting even more damage and blunting the attack. At this point entire soviet offence is failure... sure soviet west wing can push toward direction of smolensk, but they only create salient for themselves and risk of partial encirclement.

Indeed, your inability to comprehend frontlines and distances is indeed staggering, calling +200KM breakthrough a "needle" still bring tears to my eyes.

So AO1941 ends with major disappointment, same as with Order of Battle blitzkrieg campaign, despite fact that you can capture moscow and secure surrounding areas(and beyond)... in next mission you are told - "lel, you lost"

[Accolon]

Originally posted by MOH (Laf):

Originally posted by Magni:

Which makes no damn difference. Because that remains but a small part of the general counteroffensive, and you've stretched your logistics beyond the breaking point. (Hence why you can only deploy like half as much during Klin.) Putting a pencil brwakthrough through a small portion of the soviet coutnerattack is meaningless. You're not in any position to get behind anything. Not without your force then sitting behind said wing without any fuel, ammo or winter equipment, so have fun dying to the elements alone even before any soviet reserves or rear-area forces clean up the pitiful remains of your suicidal little attempt.

This inability of whiny players to understand logisticts, or the sheer scale of the eastern front, is what's getting really old.

and this "small part of general offence" wiped WIDE front around moscow. Distance from norther outskirt of moscow to tula is over 200KM. Just pencil breakthrough... are you completely out of touch with reality or something?



Indeed, your inability to comprehend frontlines and distances is indeed staggering, calling +200KM breakthrough a "needle" still bring tears to my eyes.

So AO1941 ends with major disappointment, same as with Order of Battle blitzkrieg campaign, despite fact that you can capture moscow and secure surrounding areas(and beyond)... in next mission you are told - "lel, you lost"

Hello MOH,

please be so kind and don't act like a troll here. Raiding the Kreml is completely out of touch with reality, because it NEVER happened.

No one wins a "what if"-Scenario Debate.


@Magni (whiny players?) Come on, Dude...you know it better.