Moscow

[jbzomal75]

How the hell are you supposed to get a victory on this map? I don't even understand the objectives. I took all the main objective hexes, which I assume are the ones in the city proper, but then it says something about bonus objectives. Are those the ones outside the city? Do you have to capture all the objectives on the map at least once but then only get extra from the bonus objectives(which would be the ones outside the city)? I don't see how it's even possible to get all the hexes. There's not enough time and forces to get everything before the reinforcements show up and once they do you're prevented from getting some of the outer objectives because it's just too much to overcome. Who the hell designed this scenario?

[Complex Strategy]

The bonus obejctives are the one with a dotted outline around the hex and they are mostly outside of moscow although one is in the northeatern part of moscow. Getting the bonus sets you up later on to go on the winning alt history path (you'll need to get the bonus in stalingrad also). To take moscow itself you need a lot of pioneers (4-6 pioneers and maybe 1-2 other infantry) and a lot of artillery (I often use like 4-5 in total) and just slowly driving forward. Don't take your tanks into the city as they'll get devoured. Once you take most of moscow the soviet tanks outside the city will move towards you and it's easy to lure them into moscow where your infantry will shred them.

[jbzomal75]

I wasn't sure those were dotted lines or just snowy objects on the map

That's what I pretty much did but apparently there's more to it than just taking the actual city hexes because I did that by turn 25 and still lost.

[Complex Strategy]

Originally posted by jbzomal75:

I wasn't sure those were dotted lines or just snowy objects on the map

That's what I pretty much did but apparently there's more to it than just taking the actual city hexes because I did that by turn 25 and still lost.

Do note there are a couple other main objectives in the towns around moscow so you need some amount of troops to go over to them and capture them. Tula is well defended but you can actually encircle it quite easily since the units are passive, the northern most town can sneakily be taken by a fallschrimjager and as long as it remains in that town the enemy won't attack it (if it leaves a lot of armor is gonna smash it), and finally that town that towards the eastern part of the map kinda to the south east of moscow (it has an airfield and is right at the bend of a river but I can't remember the name) only has an AT gun defending it but you likely need some tanks and AT to go over there to tussle with any coutnerattacks.

[[103] Kao70]

The main objectives are the three in the city and the one in the south and in the north (non dotted lines). Plus you start out with one in the west which you need to hold onto as well. The other four to the east (dotted lines) are bonus and not needed for a victory.

Was struggling with this as well untill I realized I dont need the dotted ones to win. Still after this scenario you get a defend scenario and you will definitely need to reinforce your troops for that. So I would advise you to make sure you have a lot of prestige or trooops in reserve before even starting Moscow since you will not earn a lot prestige there unless you get the bonus objectives.

I had to restart my campaign completely and am now taking the other route in the tree.

[Frederick V]

Originally posted by Complex Strategy:

Originally posted by jbzomal75:

I wasn't sure those were dotted lines or just snowy objects on the map

That's what I pretty much did but apparently there's more to it than just taking the actual city hexes because I did that by turn 25 and still lost.

Do note there are a couple other main objectives in the towns around moscow so you need some amount of troops to go over to them and capture them. Tula is well defended but you can actually encircle it quite easily since the units are passive, the northern most town can sneakily be taken by a fallschrimjager and as long as it remains in that town the enemy won't attack it (if it leaves a lot of armor is gonna smash it), and finally that town that towards the eastern part of the map kinda to the south east of moscow (it has an airfield and is right at the bend of a river but I can't remember the name) only has an AT gun defending it but you likely need some tanks and AT to go over there to tussle with any coutnerattacks.

The problem I face is that the soviet counterattack pins my units so I can't move any southward to take either the southern town or the south-east town, especially the south-east town because that's right where the soviet counterattack usually comes in.

[Magni]

For a minimalsit victory, use smaller detachments to go for the outlying objectives in the north and south first. The big russian counterattack starts once you advance into Moscow proper IIRC.

[jbzomal75]

If you're not worried about getting all the bonus objectives then what I did was I sent a mostly infantry force into the southeast corner of Moscow to take the city, a smaller force with some armor to take that town by the northern border of the map(to hold off the Russian counterattack, which will be mostly armor), and a third force to take the southern most town and the one to the southwest(also with armor because there will be a mostly armor counterattack there too). I probably could have gotten all the bonus objectives if I really pushed it but I was just happy to get a victory. The only thing was I kind of regretted when I got the bonus objectives at Stalingrad but couldn't do the attack east afterwards because you also need to complete the bonus objectives from Moscow for that path.

[Hochmeister]

I actually did, what my superior adviced me to do, with some modifications. And I got also bonus objectives

I had three assault groups + 3 Fallschimjaggers:

1) the northern group consisting of one pioneer, one Nebelwarfer, one flammpanzer with vigilant hero, one 5cm Pak 36 (Sf) and one Panzer III aus N (industrial connection trait) + one fallshimjagger will join this group after finishing objective.
- this group basicly had task to slowly but steadily go deep into city from northwest or atleast keep distracting defenders from other groups.

2) the middle group consisting of one pioneer, one bricken pioneer (I wanted to get tanks faster on the other side of river), 3 panzer III aus J, one 5cm Pak 36 (Sf), Karl - Gerät, one 88 mm anti air cannon and one SdKfz 232 8 rad.

- in the first phase of battle their task was clearing up the Moscow's underbelly and conquer the town on the river Okva and the town southeast from Moscow, where this group would meet with southern group

3)Southern group - consisting of 2 panzer IV aus F1, one Fallschimjagger, one pionner, one 15 cm sFH18 and one anti air SdKfz 7/1 + one fallshimjagger will join this group after finishing objective.

in the first phase of battle their task was conquer Tula and clear up everything south from river Okva. Then this group would join the middle group in that town with objective

4) 3 Fallshim jaggers - two of them conquered the town in the north and then one of them will defend the town, the second ones will join the northern group

the third will help southern group by asaulting enemy from behind and then join them

2. phase of battle - enemy aircraft was eliminated by that moment

The northern group went slowly into city

the middle and south group: Armour + Kalr -gerät + anti air canons ( now as anti tank canons) attacked those soviet reinforcements and try conquer the objectives east from Moscow

The infantry of those groups and one 15 cm sFH18 made second attack into city from southeast

And that was way, how I did it. I played that on General difficulty. One thing to point out if I hadn't Karl Gerät, then I would definitely invest in 88 mm canons more + another artylery

[w.f.schepel]

Originally posted by jbzomal75:

How the hell are you supposed to get a victory on this map? I don't even understand the objectives. I took all the main objective hexes, which I assume are the ones in the city proper, but then it says something about bonus objectives. Are those the ones outside the city? Do you have to capture all the objectives on the map at least once but then only get extra from the bonus objectives(which would be the ones outside the city)? I don't see how it's even possible to get all the hexes. There's not enough time and forces to get everything before the reinforcements show up and once they do you're prevented from getting some of the outer objectives because it's just too much to overcome. Who the hell designed this scenario?

Moscow is quite probably the hardest scenario in the game. There are a number of topics with a lot of really solid suggestions with regards to Moscow. Search for them. :-)

IMHO, this map is all about combined arms. You will need fighter cover, AA cover, AT and artillery support in order to succeed. If you fail at any of these aspects the game will be very hard indeed. However, the tip that helped me to reliably beat Moscow at the highest difficulty was to attack from the east side rather than the positions directly south of Moscow. It is far better to defeat the tanks outside the town and surround the city before you properly move in. It is easy enough to defeat tanks in town, but it just takes a few too many turns if you play the scenario 'by the book'. Also, it REALLY helps to capture Russian tanks. They are strictly better than anything the German roster has on offer.

[Path]

There is only one supply hex in Moscow itself, and conveniently it's also one of the optional objectives. No need to complicate things;[www.slitherine.com] secure Tula so you don't need to worry about it later, surround Moscow and secure the supply hex to strangle the defenders, and then repel the Soviet counterattack.