Sequence Break?

[Tony Kaku]

I was wondering around Horryn and somehow found myself in the temple area. The Butcher was hostile even though he spoke to me earlier on, so I fought him, then moved forward and it skipped me to chapter 3 saying all the reaver leaders were dead. But I hadn't even met with the other two, let alone killed them. I could load back to an older save so that I don't end up missing out on content (unfortunately my last non-quicksave was MANY HOURS AGO), but I assume this is some sort of unintended thing, since the dialogue just assumes I had to have killed all the leaders to get here...and there seems to be no way for me to leave the area without it automatically taking me to chapter 3.

As far as other things go that I'd done/not done yet, I just picked up the harbor documents but hadn't gone back to get Iago yet, I found the whispering tablet in the cave, and I gave the sewerjack his badge back. I've gone all around the harbor area but hadn't met the harbor leader unless she was just a random enemy I fought and didn't notice (I never actually saw or spoke to a named NPC) and I don't think I had even gone to where the old guy was at all. I wish I didn't obsessively quicksave after every fight because now I'm stuck in this position, unable to leave the temple without going ahead to chapter 3, or having to reload back to a save from 4 and a half hours ago before I did a lot of shopping/stealing/inventory management (down in the Underhall). Should I just continue ahead? It seems like the least annoying thing I could do right now but I am upset that I didn't actually get to properly engage with any of the reaver leaders...

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[Simmeh]

I've never actually fought the bulk of the Reavers myself, only ever doing the diplomatic route, but some things I've read suggest that the leaders will be automatically hostile if you fight too many stray Reavers in the city (or maybe just particular groups).

At the very least, it sounds like you have killed Kala without realizing it. Her people block the way to the area with the documents needed to free Iago. I don't think there's any way past them without killing them, and I don't think that there's another path around them either.

Oleg (the "old guy") is in a building the eastern part of the city. His people go hostile if you enter the restricted area of his compound. You can enter the restricted area through the sewers, and I would assume that means you could initiate combat with him and his followers without talking to him.

[Tony Kaku]

I loaded back to about 2 prior saves I had made while in Horryn and Oleg seemed to be dead in all 3 of them, so what I think must have happened is when I failed the diplomacy check in the secret sewer path near the tablet cave it just made his whole faction hostile to me without me realizing it. The whole time I had been expecting to eventually run into NPCs to talk to because the game kept suggesting I pit them against each other but every time I got into a fight I just never bothered to read the names of the enemies, thinking they were just normal reavers. And I guess I did the same with Kala and her men who were also hostile to me automatically. The only one I had managed to speak with was the Butcher because I ran into him before I even went into the sewers, but when I got back to the temple he was hostile too, and killing him here is what made the game update me to chapter 3. So I guess all I really missed was some potential storytelling and achievements, which is a bummer, but I decided it wasn't worth reloading so far back to try doing it the other way. Maybe I'll do a second playthrough once I finish and try to get the achievements.

I was just so confused because if you don't actually pay attention to the name when you hover over an enemy, with the graphics being what they are, it can be very hard to tell if someone is more than a normal enemy. I do recall a few reavers who had different sprites and made me think "this one must be extra strong" but somehow at no point did I think to myself "maybe that's one of the bosses"...again because I think I just expected to be able to talk to them all like the butcher and didn't think they'd all become hostile to me. Lesson learned!

[Duchess of Kvetch]

IIRC there aren't a lot of multiple paths in Horryn. You can kill 'em all from the get go, or be sneaky/strategic about it.

If you explore the sewers FIRST, you can end up bypassing the "expected" route of talking to the 3 reaver leaders from stumbling across their secrets too soon. IE, if you find the area underneath Oleg's camp, and then try to ENTER his camp by coming up from the sewer entrance, it will turn his men hostile. I don't know if this also turns all the other reavers hostile, however.

Presumably if you start a fight when you first come into town, they also may all turn hostile.

On the other hand, if you approach Oleg or Kala from within the town, they're "friendly". As long as you don't act aggressively. I believe I had to find my way to the Butcher in order to initiate the chain of events that led to the less violent approach. But this requires going into the sewer, I think, due to blocked roads in the town. Just be careful... explore but don't start any fights -yet-. There are additional "town residents" you will run into as well.

Note that there is also a FOURTH group of reavers that are unaffiliated, to the Southwest - and some of them you can't reach yet. I think they're always hostile though.

[Tony Kaku]

> If you explore the sewers FIRST, you can end up bypassing the "expected" route of talking to the 3 reaver leaders from stumbling across their secrets too soon. IE, if you find the area underneath Oleg's camp, and then try to ENTER his camp by coming up from the sewer entrance, it will turn his men hostile. I don't know if this also turns all the other reavers hostile, however.
I think this is exactly what happened to me because that's what I'd done. I had talked to the Butcher beforehand (he's the first one I bumped into but I forget how I got there, just that I know it was before the sewer...there's a path above ground somehow), but then I went to the sewer because I thought that was the only way to get past the barricades, and I ended up finding Oleg's men right away. I didn't even register that I was fighting him or his men, or then later Kala and her men, at all. Everyone just attacked me on sight so I killed them without thinking too much about it right up until I got the Chapter 3 title card and was like, wait, what?! It's over?!

After I beat the game I went back to an older save where I was able to do the entire Horryn quest again from the start and I did it the strategic way this time, trying to avoid getting into too many fights that might turn anyone hostile. Funnily enough I did still get to the sewers and fail the diplomacy check there and have to fight Oleg's men...but it didn't turn Oleg hostile once I went to visit him, so it might have had something to do with just getting into too many fights with other groups along the way as well, and just fighting the guys in front of the sewer alone isn't enough to turn them hostile. I made sure to quicksave a lot when I did it this second time, always checking my faction status before doing so, and by just doing that one fight I managed to avoid turning anyone hostile. So if you can't get into the sewers without fighting them, you SHOULD be okay as long as you avoid fighting too many other reavers.