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No one that get elected from either side really do anything about it and only rise the taxes for nothing, still the government that is in charge and that was in charge most of the time through the last 20 years has ran down economy and development while people that elected them are happy that they get paid for their existence and the existence fo their vchildren without thinking it only run down the country as a whole and faster. Thing is, the government have support from people without study and/or that just dont care as long as they have money "now" also not caring about how bad all the infrastructure is as far as they can use that money to live or to purchase stuff like phones, tvs, etc.
Fact is: as 1 state alone makes up for 1/3 of the country GDP even the other states dont complain so much about crap like this in terms of "receiving money but doing ♥♥♥♥ with it or just doing nothing with it" because there is 1 big state that provides 1/3 of the money but gets 1/20 back of said money and stil have to apply god part of it back into "paying for people existence", it is idiocracy irl.
The T300 felt a mile ahead of the G27. It was a totally different feel. The G27 felt all loose and clunky. The T300 felt more life like and responsive.
Its been a while though so i'm trying to remember as best i can.
With all the cheap DD options available today, i'm not sure i would recommend either of them. I remember the T300 being quite expensive at the time i bought it.
I guess my point is, if the G29 is anything like the G27 then i would stay away from it.
My current wheel base is the direct drive from logi. Its a beast and i love it.
Yeah same as my experience, the pricing is precisely why I say buy the T300 2nd hand rather than new, especially as the wheel can be had for around £100-150 and a set of T-LCM's can be found for as little as £50-80.
Compared to the even the G923 at £280-380 with it's Truforce gimmick that has to be baked into the game and either uses telemetry data or the sound output to generate the additional details.
If the game uses the sound output to create the additional detail your wheel becomes a speaker and game sounds can actually be heard coming through the wheelbase lol.
Why bother with a gimmick when the T300 gives you all the same advantages out the box and in every game for between £150-230 plus twice the FFB as well.
Logitech have been trading on their past successes for more than a decade, changing the button layout and calling it a new model to hike the prices back up to above their previous launch, adding Truforce and a stiffer spring to add £100 to the launch price yet not bothering to address the fundamental flaws in the pedals still using POT's and gears that just attract dust and gum themselves up.
Thrustmaster at least addressed this issue by launching the T-LCM's with hall effect sensors and a loadcell brake and eliminating the dust issues, or their new T3PM's with all hall effect sensors and adjustable brake pressure, though it'd be nice if they'd follow Fanatecs lead and offer the option of T3PA's, T3PM's OR T-LCM's at point of sale. Especially as they're all readily interchangable, that's another point where Logitech falls flat on their faces, just the option of a 6 speed + reverse shifter for £55 and that's it, whilst if a shifter matters TM offer 2 different 7 speed+ reverse shifters for £60 and £170 respectively.
From memory the step up from Logitech to the T300 was greater than the step up from the T300 to the CSL DD, the low level details were there in the T300 but greatly enhanced in the CSL DD, these same details were completely absent on the Logitech wheel.
Hence the reasoning for Truforce which is essentially additional haptics used to make up for the absence in previous models, it still doesn't justify the £100 price hike when it launched for a progressive spring and effectively a rumble motor.
Hell the gap in performance was that great TM launched a new lower budget wheel than the T300 which is now the budget entry from them with, both geared and belt driven mechanism. Like the G923 it has an enhanced FFB mode to increase low level details but it works in ALL games and not just a few. They also come with the T3PM pedals which are all round hall effect pedals and 4 optional brake settings out the box.
G923 for £379 from Logitech direct, 2.1nm peak torque, the same ropey pot based pedals used since the G25 but with a progressive spring, enhanced FFB only in games that support it or,
T248 for £299, from Trustmasters store, 3.6nm peak torque, with hall effect pedals, adjustable brake pressure, and enhanced FFB in all games...
It's such a no brainer I'm seeing retailers not even stocking the G923 at all and only offering the G29/920 (Overclockers) or not stocking ANY logitech wheels (Scan), or like Ebuyer who're charging just £27 more for the T300 vs the G923 (£349.97 vs £322.98) but only £279.99 for the T248 with hall effect pedals.
All lower prices than buying direct from either company though.
And what does the CSL DD ready to race bundle start out at? £337.95 or £442 including import duty fees and delivery.... Nail in the coffin of the G series and Thrustmaster wheels at anywhere NEAR new pricing...
Trueforce + G923, never tried it but i would imagine the low torque level would be even worse with trueforce.
Trueforce + Logitech direct drive... Now that is amazing. Dirt Rally 2 with the trueforce on this DD is one of the most memorable and mind blowing FFB experiences i have ever had.
Unfortunately its not implemented properly in most games, but when it works, it works soooo good.
Dirt Rally 2 is probably the best example of trueforce. AMS2 is the worst
I think it was intended for high end rather than low end hardware so why they tacked it on to the G923 and chose the failing Grid series (Grid 2019 iirc) to premier it in IDK.
It's interesting to hear you say when it's done right... etc, etc. As that pretty much matches what I've heard elsewhere.
My guess would be when properly utilised it's a game changer but when using the sound output it's more of a distraction or outright annoyance.
Personally I see it like Nvidias proprietary feature set, a trap set to make the unaware feel they MUST have it and cursing them to fall into line and follow the sheeple forever more..
But hey that's just me and I've not tried it out for myself and aint got the cash to fork out for another upgrade of around £1000 just to switch platform again.
See even Fanatec laid a trap but that trap is at least full of a massive ecosystem of options.
Especially as all I'd need to do is get say the Clubsport DD or DD+ wheelbase and use the gear I've got right now, though to be honest I don't see the need to go higher for now..
Logitech (for me) need to seriously bring in more than a single offering per tier, TM are moving in the right direction but still.. Too slowly to grab me by the throat with anything above passing interest atm.
For now? My next major hardware target it the 1440p 240Hz 49 inch monitor then a PC platform upgrade THEN think about what's next...
Probably RDNA 5 before a wheel upgrade in the hope prices fall further...
Hell the gap in performance was that great TM launched a new lower budget wheel than the T300 which is now the budget entry from them with, both geared and belt driven mechanism. Like the G923 it has an enhanced FFB mode to increase low level details but it works in ALL games and not just a few. .. [/quote]
What TM wheel base did this release with? Before i ditched my Thrustmaster they came out with Thrustmaster Boost. If thats what your talking about, all that did was make my wheel clip.
I would like to find out more about this but can't find anything besides the boost feature.
EDIT. Sorry i messed up the quoting
T248
"DYNAMIC FORCE FEEDBACK
T248 features 3 types of Force Feedback (presets included), compatible with all games and modifiable on the fly directly on the wheel:
FFB 1: Force Feedback 100% proportional to the force requested by the game.
FFB 2: enhanced Force Feedback, for better skid control.
FFB 3: boosted Force Feedback, allowing users to clearly feel all racing effects from the track (curbs, skidding off-track, etc.)."
It's essentially a beefed up T150 hybrid belt/gear driven wheel and looks cheap af, plus, unlike Trufeel it's not dependant on being inserted in the game or subject to different classes based on the output used.
Now Fanatec are also shouting about some a new FFB protocol tailored specifically for DD wheels as the one out atm is designed for belt drive wheels.
They're claiming pretty much a similar thing as Truforce and in a very derivative way named Fullforce (also in supported games only so needs to be baked in as well)... Whatever happened to originality??? sigh...
Anywho.. the blah blah blah is more detail faster responsiveness and higher frequency attainable than previously followed by a Luigi style "I'm the best" kinda comment... "Only FullForce gives you the full experience of driving a race car."
Nope only a race car can do that....
Either way unless people got money to burn or local mates on different hardware most people won't get the opportunity to try them all to compare them.
https://www.apexsimracing.com/collections/moza-racing/products/r5-sim-racing-bundle-5-5nm
Cammus C5 bundle £299.00 Sale Price inc table clamp.
Fanatec CSL DD 5nm bundle £335.99 or £361.16 with the table clamp.
Moza R3 bundle ￡399.00 inc table clamp.
Fanatec CSL DD 8nm bundle £419.98 or £445.14 with the table clamp.
Moza R5 bundle ￡459.00 inc table clamp.
THAT'S why...
Regardless of which you go for the step up vs a G series wheel or even the T300RS will be pretty much the same.
You'll wonder "WHY the HELL did I wait so damned long to do this???".
You certainly won't be disappointed with ANY of them even the R3 bundle which is actually 3.9nm peak torque is nigh on twice the peak of the G series wheels.
If you believe Fanatecs more recent claims of superior peak FFB retention (less fade of the FFB over prolonged periods) because they have a "better thermal design" then they'd be the top pick.
E.G. on their CS DD pages they highlight it losing just 0.5nm after an hour playing whilst other brands 12nm models APPEAR to lose upto 50% between 30 minutes use.
Take this with a handful of salt imo though, as the scale only has 12nm and no indication of 0-11nm on their published chart.
To be fair though, I've run several 72 minute RCO events and my 8nm CSL DD was still cold to the touch, likewise, I've played for 2-3 hour long online sessions and it's always been cold to the touch, maybe they ARE being honest about the thermal design.?
The fact there's no ZERO on the chart is concerning to say the least though.
Marketing people have a bad habit of exaggerating, stretching or removing zero from an an axis to "enhance" what could well be a minor loss and make it appear to be a HUGE loss.
I SERIOUSLY doubt their competitors would lose over half their peak torque without customers noticing and going COMPLETELY ballistic about it don't you?
You'll need to scroll down to see the chart. You'll see what I mean about 0-11nm being totally absent...
https://fanatec.com/eu-en/racing-wheels-direct-drive-bases/direct-drive-bases/clubsport-dd?_gl=1*1si7i7k*_up*MQ..*_ga*ODM3NjY4NzIzLjE3MjA5NzQxNDQ.*_ga_Q6VYC4JPVE*MTcyMDk3NDE0My4xLjEuMTcyMDk3NDUxMC4wLjAuMA..&gclid=CjwKCAjw7s20BhBFEiwABVIMrdH_d77iaapNWBuWlVIal11PRFcjGVOjaGKc6b8elbl0gJHtbnlgGRoCnr8QAvD_BwE
Plus with them planning a new DD specific driver update coming soon (the current drivers are still designed predominately for belt driven wheels), then we should expect a significant increase in the higher frequency details, much faster response times and less loss of torque as time progresses. There's a lot of detail on the CS DD info page but it all should also apply to the current DD models as well.