Ai super fast out of corners?

[Freelunch]

I was just racing the formula classic gen 1s and was struggling to overtake the ai because they always had such an amazing run out of corners. No matter how hard I tried to sweet talk my car out of a corner and prevent wheel spin they were always much faster than me. I think this has just been a general issue I’ve been having in most cars, any time I try and accelerate out of a corner the ai flies away while I’m either slipping and sliding or just not as fast it feels like it doesn’t matter what I do. So I was wondering if anyone else struggles with this? Is there a driving style or setup change I need to make or is this a case of ai cheating and I just have to deal with it.

[Razamanaz]

I thought the same thing when I bought a wheel and pedals along with the game about 3-4 months ago. The AI cars don't really deal with physics the same way as the user does.

What i found:
Brake and accelerator input is probably more important than steering. I used to just scream as fast as I could everywhere but later found that I could turn better lap times by slowing down better going into turns and never accelerating before the APEX. Actually just modulating my brake and pedals better rather than using the natural instinct to just stomp on it all the time. Now I cringe whenever my car slips a little coming out of a corner.

AI can be set between 70 and 120. If you're struggling make sure it's at 70 and keep practicing. Knowing the track is important.

If you're using a controller, I feel for you. It's super hard to regulate your inputs with a controller although there are people out there who can do it.

My problems were mostly with driving style. Default setups are usually pretty decent although a few minor tweaks can be helpful depending on the track and car. I'm no expert but I can win races with the AI set ~85-95 depending on the track and car.

Don't race in the rain. The AI don't seem to know the difference between a wet and dry track.

[PLAYLIFE]

Originally posted by Freelunch:

I was just racing the formula classic gen 1s and was struggling to overtake the ai because they always had such an amazing run out of corners. No matter how hard I tried to sweet talk my car out of a corner and prevent wheel spin they were always much faster than me. I think this has just been a general issue I’ve been having in most cars, any time I try and accelerate out of a corner the ai flies away while I’m either slipping and sliding or just not as fast it feels like it doesn’t matter what I do. So I was wondering if anyone else struggles with this? Is there a driving style or setup change I need to make or is this a case of ai cheating and I just have to deal with it.

Use the mentality slow in, fast out. Most drivers are braking usually too deep into a corner and have a suboptimal exit out of it. This makes them lose laptime.

I personally also struggle with this and am working with it constantly, but I don't find that AI outaccelerates me out of the corners in any meaningful way. Always be gentle with the gas out of corners.

One more thing with super powrful cars is that you want to take a more V-shape approach to corners so you can straighten the car our earlier and be earlier on the gas.

There is loads of videos about this on youtube.


Your best bet is to go into time trial mode and race against other human drivers. There you can see their ghost and if you are slow out of corners compared to them.

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

The AI is still very much a work in progress, certain combinations don't run on the same setups and parameters as players are.
Not the case for every combination but enough to be annoying to say the least.

So yeah there are gonna be times when the AI will be better able to get the jump on you out of the corners, they are working on them but with the new tyre update rolling out, it's likely to be more apparent until it's fully rolled out both to players and the AI.
I expect we're gonna be testing some of this in the beta and if it's bug free it'll be rolling out in the next update I'd imagine, though it's by no means certain as we don't know what's coming exactly nor when..
The new tyre model is already on the 2024 stock cars and one other car group (can't remember off the top of my head) but it's in the release notes..

Playlife is also right, this game does benefit from a slow in fast out approach to racing.
By constantly relying on hard, late braking you compromise your cornering speed and this forces you to slow more than needed, the knock on effect is in also delaying your ability to get on the gas to accelerate, as a result of the apparent AI advantage, you're MAYBE stomping on the gas too hard and losing traction as well.
ALL of which loses you momentum at each stage of the corner and, that momentum loss gets compounded all the way to the next braking point meaning you could be losing 0.5-1 second between 2 corners or more.
ALL of this ends up making it appear as though the AI is much faster on the exit.

Brake early and progressively increase the pressure then progressively release it.
Balanced and consistent gas mid corner.
Then progressively increase the gas.
Made this vid for other reasons but if you watch it keep an eye on the pedal meters on the speedometer.
You'll see most of what I mention plus that I'm often dancing on the brake pedal making micro scale adjustments throughout the braking phase.
Then 10-15% glass through the turn and I'll often not be fully on the gas until the car is virtually straightened out.
https://youtu.be/aAkI8jhMgos?si=YBfOAQrHn_GFo5aF

Finness is vital in AMS2...
If you already know that just ignore me :)

[Roddy]

Originally posted by PLAYLIFE:

Use the mentality slow in, fast out. Most drivers are braking usually too deep into a corner and have a suboptimal exit out of it. This makes them lose laptime.

I try to find the best braking and turn in points, and then be back on the throttle before the apex.

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Originally posted by Roddy:

I try to find the best braking and turn in points, and then be back on the throttle before the apex.

I do the same.
If you set the track to "heavy rubber" during practice and keep an eye on the track you'll spot the perfect braking points as the track gets much darker there, there's also quite often 2 of these tells in some corners.
Call them the "ideal" and the "ohh s**t! Still made it!" braking zones..
You'll sometimes also see similar marks on the exits of some where you get people getting hard on the gas.
Late entry, late Apex = early on the gas and often let's you make a pass on the run to the next corner.

[Roddy]

Originally posted by SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Originally posted by Roddy:

I try to find the best braking and turn in points, and then be back on the throttle before the apex.

I do the same.
If you set the track to "heavy rubber" during practice and keep an eye on the track you'll spot the perfect braking points as the track gets much darker there, there's also quite often 2 of these tells in some corners.
Call them the "ideal" and the "ohh s**t! Still made it!" braking zones..
You'll sometimes also see similar marks on the exits of some where you get people getting hard on the gas.
Late entry, late Apex = early on the gas and often let's you make a pass on the run to the next corner.

Exactly. Nicely said.