Nascar???

[brad.kennett]

I've been thinking with the amount of ovals in the game and that the Daytona tri-oval is labelled Nascar Tri-Oval that we may see Nascar in the game soon. Most likely unlicensed but it would be great to have them in the game. Thoughts?

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

I'd guess it depends on licencing agreements (those in place already with other developers and exclusivity).
Given the recent delays to the Indy cars/Champ cars appearing (I forget which they actually were) and the suggestions of official licence discussions being underway regarding their presence in AMS2, I wonder if Nascar's might become part of similar discussions in the not too distant future.

Not being a HUGE fan of oval racing, plus having zero experience racing on ovals, for me it'd be a nice addition to the game as I AM curious about the attraction of what seems to be driving round in circles as fast as possible.
Though we do that anyway on "normal" circuits, just with a few lefts thrown into the mix.

I was deeply involved in drifting about a decade ago and many many racers despise that entirely :P
So whilst I'm a complete "Oval Noob" I'm open to new experiences, who knows? I might fall in love with ovals :)

[R2R Abbaddon]

would love to see that spec of stock car

[Mr. Crispin]

If they ever put Nascar in the game. I'd like it to be the Gen 4s.

[Vesa]

if Nascar comes I hope it is not the current edition of them... since the whole segment bs I have not been a fan... but a generic version of around the 2000ish era nascar would be SO SICK!! even all the way up to about 2010 i think was still ton of fun oval racing!

[VHoggard]

Oval racing isn't easy. It's more tire management than racing skill. Tire and chassis setup must be spot on. I even went to Phoenix International Raceway a lot to smell the high-tech fuel and watch NASCAR go 160 mph. FUN!

But I race a customized Weathertech Championship in AMS2 mainly and just want some LMP classes added and some Lexus along with Aston Martins.

My ARCA racing days are over. Might do Indy on ovals tho.

[mack]

aero88! riverside would be sick

[DmAnd]

Originally posted by SRS13Rastus(TTT):

I'd guess it depends on licencing agreements (those in place already with other developers and exclusivity).
Given the recent delays to the Indy cars/Champ cars appearing (I forget which they actually were) and the suggestions of official licence discussions being underway regarding their presence in AMS2, I wonder if Nascar's might become part of similar discussions in the not too distant future.

Not being a HUGE fan of oval racing, plus having zero experience racing on ovals, for me it'd be a nice addition to the game as I AM curious about the attraction of what seems to be driving round in circles as fast as possible.
Though we do that anyway on "normal" circuits, just with a few lefts thrown into the mix.

I was deeply involved in drifting about a decade ago and many many racers despise that entirely :P
So whilst I'm a complete "Oval Noob" I'm open to new experiences, who knows? I might fall in love with ovals :)

A couple things attract me to Oval racing.

1st and probably the most important, I like to go fast and turn left sometimes.

2nd and more serious, Once you hit that top speed, it can be an amazing drafting race up until the finish.

[TomGoodwrenchSK]

I made Nascar liveries for V8 Supercars, Opala Stock Cars 1986, Copa Trucks (still waiting for a game update to finish it completely) and recently the Brazil Stock Cars 21 with the Next Gen 2022 season liveries. If they would add a generic model of NR Stock Cars i would put liveries on those asap.
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/authors/tomlehockysvk.1575800/

[grandafam1]

One of the strangest feelings I've experienced in sim racing is tire stagger. I think it was the Papyrus series from long ago I am remembering. Anyway the few videos I have seen from AMS2 Daytona tri-oval ... I am not seeing the tire stagger I remember fighting when coming off a turn. Is it a real thing in oval racing? Or was Papyrus just trying to show off with the then new generation of FFB wheels?

[Saab Jitsu]

Originally posted by grandafam1:

One of the strangest feelings I've experienced in sim racing is tire stagger. I think it was the Papyrus series from long ago I am remembering. Anyway the few videos I have seen from AMS2 Daytona tri-oval ... I am not seeing the tire stagger I remember fighting when coming off a turn. Is it a real thing in oval racing? Or was Papyrus just trying to show off with the then new generation of FFB wheels?

Stagger is very much a thing in oval racing. At the track we measure the circumference to determine the split. All cars and tracks take a little different amount depending what the driver likes or wants the car to do. And caster is way more important than you think

[DmAnd]

Originally posted by Roscoe P Coletrain Jr:

Originally posted by grandafam1:

One of the strangest feelings I've experienced in sim racing is tire stagger. I think it was the Papyrus series from long ago I am remembering. Anyway the few videos I have seen from AMS2 Daytona tri-oval ... I am not seeing the tire stagger I remember fighting when coming off a turn. Is it a real thing in oval racing? Or was Papyrus just trying to show off with the then new generation of FFB wheels?

Stagger is very much a thing in oval racing. At the track we measure the circumference to determine the split. All cars and tracks take a little different amount depending what the driver likes or wants the car to do. And caster is way more important than you think

I've done the Tri oval a few times here. Maybe i can help, what do you mean when you say "Stagger"

Is it the same as "weight jacking"

[Saab Jitsu]

Originally posted by Dmand:

Originally posted by Roscoe P Coletrain Jr:

Stagger is very much a thing in oval racing. At the track we measure the circumference to determine the split. All cars and tracks take a little different amount depending what the driver likes or wants the car to do. And caster is way more important than you think

I've done the Tri oval a few times here. Maybe i can help, what do you mean when you say "Stagger"

Is it the same as "weight jacking"

Stagger is the difference in tire circumference from 1 side of the car to the other and on dirt cars it may vary from corner to corner. An example could be left sides measure 36 and 3/4" and the rights could measure 37". That's a split of .25". Add that to a front caster split of 2 or 3 degrees and the car could just about turn itself left. We can't really measure the tires in AMS2 but you can cheat it up a bit with low pressure on the inside and higher on the outside but this may lead to a swing in tire temps that's not acceptable.
I believe weight jacking you are referring to is using a jack screw through the rear coil spring to shift the weight balance of the car front/back and or left right? Like you see the Cup guys adjusting through the back window. Don't quote me on that one.

[Vlad Tepes]

As much as I love AMS2, I will never be able to take a NASCAR race using AMS2... nothing will be able to replace NR2003 even though it is a million years old.

[DmAnd]

Originally posted by Roscoe P Coletrain Jr:

Originally posted by Dmand:

I've done the Tri oval a few times here. Maybe i can help, what do you mean when you say "Stagger"

Is it the same as "weight jacking"

Stagger is the difference in tire circumference from 1 side of the car to the other and on dirt cars it may vary from corner to corner. An example could be left sides measure 36 and 3/4" and the rights could measure 37". That's a split of .25". Add that to a front caster split of 2 or 3 degrees and the car could just about turn itself left. We can't really measure the tires in AMS2 but you can cheat it up a bit with low pressure on the inside and higher on the outside but this may lead to a swing in tire temps that's not acceptable.
I believe weight jacking you are referring to is using a jack screw through the rear coil spring to shift the weight balance of the car front/back and or left right? Like you see the Cup guys adjusting through the back window. Don't quote me on that one.

[unknown]

Originally posted by SRS13Rastus(TTT):

I'd guess it depends on licencing agreements (those in place already with other developers and exclusivity).
Given the recent delays to the Indy cars/Champ cars appearing (I forget which they actually were) and the suggestions of official licence discussions being underway regarding their presence in AMS2, I wonder if Nascar's might become part of similar discussions in the not too distant future.

Not being a HUGE fan of oval racing, plus having zero experience racing on ovals, for me it'd be a nice addition to the game as I AM curious about the attraction of what seems to be driving round in circles as fast as possible.
Though we do that anyway on "normal" circuits, just with a few lefts thrown into the mix.

I was deeply involved in drifting about a decade ago and many many racers despise that entirely :P
So whilst I'm a complete "Oval Noob" I'm open to new experiences, who knows? I might fall in love with ovals :)

Definately would be good to see. Oval racing with nascar is very much a different sort of racing. I mean the closest other form of racing is gte racing, however only because of the endurance part. The nascars really are not a very well designed car. I mean they are and they aren't.

They are a car that has very little control when the traction goes, it is near impossible to regain it. But all of that being said, it is a good design for ovals but that is really where its tricky. Then after you get the hang of controling the car its about saving your gas and tires for when it will best suite you in the race and a good pit strategy. While f1 racing is a fast pace edge of your seat game like a wrestling match, Oval racing is like a chess tournament. Its a slow burn with a heavy emphasis on tactics. I would say its a thinking mans sport to an extent because of these factors and since all of the race cars are almost exactly equil to each other its all based upon the strategy and raw skill of the driver. It is an endurance race and highly dependent on a perfect mastery of tire management paired with the planning as to when to and when not to make a move.

For example if you are in the front pack, you could waist your time passing the first car, or you can stay with them and draft. If you see the car in first place start to pit, you may decide that you can pass them if you keeped your tires good, but at the same time even wtih good tires, you may be far ahead with that car and if you think you can beat them you may want to pit with them so both cars can team up and draft their way back to the front after the other cars pit. Its a very fun style of racing, but for completely different reasons than any other style. It 100% deserves to be here.