Player count base is too low

[Mr. Snrub]

hoping things will improve but last few weekends I check in multiplayer and there are maybe 30 people on server list all spread out across almost empty servers...

[turtleCZ]

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

As for controller support? People forget these games are SIMULATORS not arcade titles like Forza where the levels of "hand holding" assists are beyond belief, why is this the case? Because the target audience before they made the jump to PC has been console users with controllers, yes they do cater to wheel owners and do a pretty decent job of it as well.

Most people don't understand gamepad is the same as a wheel. What I need is wheel settings for my gamepad. I need to set linearity right. All filters must be configurable.

AC, ACC, rF2, R3E are not simulators either? They are awesome on a pad. I would like to play AMS2 or PC2 more but there is no reason if almost every other sim is better.

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Publicado originalmente por thief_035:

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

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thanks for the info mate, was a nice read.
am i right or wrong if i assume that your answer to OP is that AMS2 multiplayer is well enough populated the first two weeks of each month?

Essentially yes, the player numbers drop about 2 weeks before the next big update, it's still lower than the likes of AC or ACC etc, but this is due to the misconception that the Madness Engine is garbage, it's not, it was just never utilised to it's full potential by SMS, this was why some cars in PC2 were FANTASTIC whilst others added later in the DLC's weren't.
When PC3 came out with arcade handling this just made the perception even worse.

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

Most people don't understand gamepad is the same as a wheel. What I need is wheel settings for my gamepad. I need to set linearity right. All filters must be configurable.

AC, ACC, rF2, R3E are not simulators either? They are awesome on a pad. I would like to play AMS2 or PC2 more but there is no reason if almost every other sim is better.

AC ACC rF2 and R3E are all simulators right enough, it's also true that many of them have great controller support, so does AMS2 with the right adjustments in the control options.
Proof of this pudding was shown to me and other members of an AMS2 time trial league I've been involved in for over a year now.
Most of our members are on wheels from Logitech to Thrustmaster to Fanatec direct drive wheels.
So imagine our surprise when along comes Quantum Robin on a controller and outright won the A Class championship.. He's remained in the top tier ever since too.
At the end of the day it's not about the hardware used, it's about YOUR skill with the controller YOU use.
The main advantages of a wheel over a controller are precision, consistency and confidence.
Don't get me wrong controllers CAN be quick, hell I was 2nd on the ESL 1 v 1 Drift Battle ladder using a generic POS PS3 style controller in Race Driver Grid, it took MONTHS before I was able to be as competitive on a wheel to the same level.
Once I got there though... the added confidence and fully understanding what the force feedback was trying to tell me MASSIVELY increased my ability to control the car in all scenarios. this was recorded using my old Logitech DFGT.
https://youtu.be/b28tIPKu6yk
On the flipside this is myself and a good friend, myself on the DFGT and him using a KEYBOARD!
https://youtu.be/QT6z2A9AJas
So again it's not about having the best hardware, it's about the skills you possess with the hardware you use...
You might want to try the controller settings this guy uses in AMS2.
https://youtu.be/3URulSUZUWA
Either that or pop into our Time Trial league discord and ask Quantum Robin for advice, or the settings he uses to such success.
https://discord.gg/P8bJF4Kp
It's pointless asking me for controller advice as I've not used a controller in the best part of a decade...

[turtleCZ]

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

Most people don't understand gamepad is the same as a wheel. What I need is wheel settings for my gamepad. I need to set linearity right. All filters must be configurable.

AC, ACC, rF2, R3E are not simulators either? They are awesome on a pad. I would like to play AMS2 or PC2 more but there is no reason if almost every other sim is better.

AC ACC rF2 and R3E are all simulators right enough, it's also true that many of them have great controller support, so does AMS2 with the right adjustments in the control options.
Proof of this pudding was shown to me and other members of an AMS2 time trial league I've been involved in for over a year now.
Most of our members are on wheels from Logitech to Thrustmaster to Fanatec direct drive wheels.
So imagine our surprise when along comes Quantum Robin on a controller and outright won the A Class championship.. He's remained in the top tier ever since too.
At the end of the day it's not about the hardware used, it's about YOUR skill with the controller YOU use.
The main advantages of a wheel over a controller are precision, consistency and confidence.
Don't get me wrong controllers CAN be quick, hell I was 2nd on the ESL 1 v 1 Drift Battle ladder using a generic POS PS3 style controller in Race Driver Grid, it took MONTHS before I was able to be as competitive on a wheel to the same level.
Once I got there though... the added confidence and fully understanding what the force feedback was trying to tell me MASSIVELY increased my ability to control the car in all scenarios. this was recorded using my old Logitech DFGT.
https://youtu.be/b28tIPKu6yk
On the flipside this is myself and a good friend, myself on the DFGT and him using a KEYBOARD!
https://youtu.be/QT6z2A9AJas
So again it's not about having the best hardware, it's about the skills you possess with the hardware you use...
You might want to try the controller settings this guy uses in AMS2.
https://youtu.be/3URulSUZUWA
Either that or pop into our Time Trial league discord and ask Quantum Robin for advice, or the settings he uses to such success.
https://discord.gg/P8bJF4Kp
It's pointless asking me for controller advice as I've not used a controller in the best part of a decade...

That's not the point. You are not obviously gamepad user. We don't care about skill or HW, just settings. ME is the only system without proper settings.

[thief_035]

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Essentially yes, the player numbers drop about 2 weeks before the next big update, it's still lower than the likes of AC or ACC etc, but this is due to the misconception that the Madness Engine is garbage, it's not, it was just never utilised to it's full potential by SMS, this was why some cars in PC2 were FANTASTIC whilst others added later in the DLC's weren't.
When PC3 came out with arcade handling this just made the perception even worse.

to be less popular than AC and ACC is not bad for AMS2 IMO. everybody is actually...

to be the second less popular sim racing title (only better than the -excellent IMO- original AMS) even in the first two weeks of the month that the backers dont do testing, it is bad IMO.

sure there are reasons for this, and you described some of them quite well, but the fact still remain: if you want to find populated lobbies to race online, AMS2 is second worst choice you can make from the first month of its release till today. numbers dont lie.

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Fair enough but I HAVE included a link to a vid with in game settings specifically for controllers, I've also included a link to our discord so you can ask a guy who IS competitive vs wheel users..
If you don't care about skill then you'll never get any better than you are right now...
Yes I'm not a gamepad user but I WAS for over 15 years before I got my 1st wheel.
How else would I know it's about peoples skill with the controllers they use and NOT the hardware itself???
At the end of the day I'm at least TRYING to help the OP and others to get the most out of their AMS2 experience, if you choose to ignore it that's up to you...

[turtleCZ]

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Fair enough but I HAVE included a link to a vid with in game settings specifically for controllers, I've also included a link to our discord so you can ask a guy who IS competitive vs wheel users..
If you don't care about skill then you'll never get any better than you are right now...
Yes I'm not a gamepad user but I WAS for over 15 years before I got my 1st wheel.
How else would I know it's about peoples skill with the controllers they use and NOT the hardware itself???
At the end of the day I'm at least TRYING to help the OP and others to get the most out of their AMS2 experience, if you choose to ignore it that's up to you...

It's fine. You are just a wheel user. Most people care about concrete problems you don't care. I played on consoles ME games for years. It's not impossible. Then I found PC sims... Why playing worse games if you don't need to?

And you are right. It was a joke from me that gamepad is the culprit. In fact, I would like to play AMS2 but it's "not possible" now. I know few other people too. It's not completely untrue. It would be nice if they tune it a bit.

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Publicado originalmente por thief_035:

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Essentially yes, the player numbers drop about 2 weeks before the next big update, it's still lower than the likes of AC or ACC etc, but this is due to the misconception that the Madness Engine is garbage, it's not, it was just never utilised to it's full potential by SMS, this was why some cars in PC2 were FANTASTIC whilst others added later in the DLC's weren't.
When PC3 came out with arcade handling this just made the perception even worse.

to be less popular than AC and ACC is not bad for AMS2, IMO. everyone is actually...

to be the second less popular sim racing title (only better than -excellent- original AMS) even in the first two weeks of the month that the backers dont do testing, it is bad IMO.

sure there are reasons for this, and you describe some of them quite well, but the fact still remain: if you want to find populated lobbies to race online, AMS2 is second worst choice you can make from the first month of its release till today. numbers dont lie.

Very true the numbers don't lie, have a look at ACC long term player numbers, it started out with a spike dropped lower and steadily increased over time.
AMS2 is following the same trend, a spike at the beginning falling off rapidly to a steady state, from this point, peak numbers have more than DOUBLED from it's lowest point.
With many respected Youtubers changing their stance from negative to a far more positive outlook..

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Fair enough but I HAVE included a link to a vid with in game settings specifically for controllers, I've also included a link to our discord so you can ask a guy who IS competitive vs wheel users..
If you don't care about skill then you'll never get any better than you are right now...
Yes I'm not a gamepad user but I WAS for over 15 years before I got my 1st wheel.
How else would I know it's about peoples skill with the controllers they use and NOT the hardware itself???
At the end of the day I'm at least TRYING to help the OP and others to get the most out of their AMS2 experience, if you choose to ignore it that's up to you...

It's fine. You are just a wheel user. Most people care about concrete problems you don't care. I played on consoles ME games for years. It's not impossible. Then I found PC sims... Why playing worse games if you don't need to?

And you are right. It was a joke from me that gamepad is the culprit. In fact, I would like to play AMS2 but it's "not possible" now. I know few other people too. It's not completely untrue. It would be nice if they tune it a bit.

Once again you miss the point that there ARE people playing and playing EXTREMELY well on controllers, I know one at least who LOVES AMS2.
Yet all you do is point out and harp on that I'm not a controller user so I CANNOT possibly know ANYTHING about controllers in games??
All despite using a controller in racing games from Microprose GP up until 2010, so OBVIOUSLY I know NOTHING about controllers, really???
Your loss dude not mine....

[thief_035]

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

have a look at ACC long term player numbers, it started out with a spike dropped lower and steadily increased over time.
AMS2 is following the same trend, a spike at the beginning falling off rapidly to a steady state, from this point, peak numbers have more than DOUBLED from it's lowest point.
With many respected Youtubers changing their stance from negative to a far more positive outlook..

so if a good friend of yours, would asked you for a sim with populated lobbies because he want to race with real people, would you suggest him AMS2?

your maths are wrong: ACC started with a peak of 4098, then gone to 4200, 5300, 5500, 6200, 6900, 7200 (highest peak)

AMS2 started with its highest peak (1150) then gone to 1026, 861, 988, 867. actually is now less or same popular as it was in the beggining.
ACC is climbing, AMS2 stays flat or declines... and thats sad for a new game that get updated every month...

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Publicado originalmente por thief_035:

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

have a look at ACC long term player numbers, it started out with a spike dropped lower and steadily increased over time.
AMS2 is following the same trend, a spike at the beginning falling off rapidly to a steady state, from this point, peak numbers have more than DOUBLED from it's lowest point.
With many respected Youtubers changing their stance from negative to a far more positive outlook..

so if a good friend of yours, would asked you for a sim with populated lobbies because he want to race with real people, would you suggest him AMS2?

Yes I would and I have done so many times. 15 people to be precise.
Not one person I've recommended it to has bought the game and then refunded or abandoned it..
Yes there's not a massive number playing but there's more than enough to find lobbies at most times of the day.
The numbers are increasing as time goes by exactly the same way ACC did so this will likely improve over time.
Now the majority of physics issues have been addressed and the time trial leaderboards have been wiped and restarted, it means the core of the game won't change significantly and Reiza will turn their attention to the planned content due out over the remainder of this year.

[turtleCZ]

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

It's fine. You are just a wheel user. Most people care about concrete problems you don't care. I played on consoles ME games for years. It's not impossible. Then I found PC sims... Why playing worse games if you don't need to?

And you are right. It was a joke from me that gamepad is the culprit. In fact, I would like to play AMS2 but it's "not possible" now. I know few other people too. It's not completely untrue. It would be nice if they tune it a bit.

Once again you miss the point that there ARE people playing and playing EXTREMELY well on controllers, I know one at least who LOVES AMS2.
Yet all you do is point out and harp on that I'm not a controller user so I CANNOT possibly know ANYTHING about controllers in games??
All despite using a controller in racing games from Microprose GP up until 2010, so OBVIOUSLY I know NOTHING about controllers, really???
Your loss dude not mine....

I just don't care about it, it's obvious. Some people play FPS games on a wheel. So what? Is it possible? Sure. I care about top-notch sims and their support.

We talk about ME games and your experience looks a bit useless. What don't you like on ME gamepad input?

I loved AMS2 too until I tried better games.

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Once again you miss the point that there ARE people playing and playing EXTREMELY well on controllers, I know one at least who LOVES AMS2.
Yet all you do is point out and harp on that I'm not a controller user so I CANNOT possibly know ANYTHING about controllers in games??
All despite using a controller in racing games from Microprose GP up until 2010, so OBVIOUSLY I know NOTHING about controllers, really???
Your loss dude not mine....

I just don't care about it, it's obvious. Some people play FPS games on a wheel. So what? Is it possible? Sure. I care about top-notch sims and their support.

We talk about ME games and your experience looks a bit useless. What don't you like on ME gamepad input?

I loved AMS2 too until I tried better games.

Question what the hell is an ME game?? Maybe if you didn't resort to acronyms the whole world would know what you're referring to.
Once again and as per usual you ridicule people whilst ignoring the content of their message.

[turtleCZ]

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

I just don't care about it, it's obvious. Some people play FPS games on a wheel. So what? Is it possible? Sure. I care about top-notch sims and their support.

We talk about ME games and your experience looks a bit useless. What don't you like on ME gamepad input?

I loved AMS2 too until I tried better games.

Question what the hell is an ME game?? Maybe if you didn't resort to acronyms the whole world would know what you're referring to.
Once again and as per usual you ridicule people whilst ignoring the content of their message.

ME like Madness engine. It has problematic input since PC1 but PC1 is the best gamepad game in ME. PC2 is more filtered and "dumber". AMS2 is like PC2. The engine has bad support for years and AMS2 inherited that.

[thief_035]

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Publicado originalmente por thief_035:

so if a good friend of yours, would asked you for a sim with populated lobbies because he want to race with real people, would you suggest him AMS2?

Yes there's not a massive number playing but there's more than enough to find lobbies at most times of the day.
The numbers are increasing as time goes by exactly the same way ACC did so this will likely improve over time.

so, at least 4 sims have are more populated (two of them have 10 times more users that AMS2) but if i asked you to suggest me a sim with populated multiplayer you would suggest me AMS2 because you saw in the spikes that it will improve because ACC did improved too? why not suggest the already proven ACC? you like gambling? LOL

im talking maths and facts, you are talking wishes. we could not agree here and thats fine mate
good luck

[[SRS13]Rastus(TTT)]

Publicado originalmente por turtleCZ:

Publicado originalmente por SRS13Rastus(TTT):

Question what the hell is an ME game?? Maybe if you didn't resort to acronyms the whole world would know what you're referring to.
Once again and as per usual you ridicule people whilst ignoring the content of their message.

ME like Madness engine. It has problematic input since PC1 but PC1 is the best gamepad game in ME. PC2 is more filtered and "dumber". AMS2 is like PC2. The engine has bad support for years and AMS2 inherited that.

Ohh I see, FYI not all Madness Engine games are the same, the current iteration of Madness engine was used for PC2 PC3 and AMS2.
UNLIKE PC2 which SMS abandoned and PC3 which adopted an arcade style of physics thereby completely abandoning the capabilities of the engine.
For instance Reiza have gone to lengths such as changing the viscosity of the oil in the differentials, changing the tyre tread layouts plus a PLETHORA of other tweaks, which SMS either never bothered with or chose to abandon in favour of a release and forget cash grabs and we've seen where that leads.
Bought out By Codies who in turn sold out to EA after releasing the worst player reviewed games in EITHER companies histories (SMS and Codies).
As for ACC being the best game out there???
What about the extreme toe in glitch that they've only just patched???
rF2 with it's 27 PSI glitch and the utterly senseless extreme tunes that ANY engineer would laugh their asses of at???
Reiza's revenue is around 2 million USD and they have 24 staff yet they've gone into more depth tweaking the madness engine than SMS could be bothered to, despite SMS revenue of over 40 million USD and a staff of 185 people..
So again your claims are spurious at worst an ill informed at best...