Automobilista 2 Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations (Copies & pinned from News)

[Reiza Studios]

Automobilista 2 features a rather simple but highly accurate FFB system, very similar to the RealFeel system used in its predecessor AMS1 - in both sims all FFB output to the player are comprised of forces acting on the steering arms, translated over to the steering rack, which are dynamically affected by the ever-changing conditions while driving. Try bending front suspension you'll clearly see steering not centering anymore, as the suspension geometry changed.

Similarly, the steering column torque is affected by car setup - directly by Caster angle (as it changes lateral force leverage on steering axis) and steering lock, as lower lock angles lead to a higher steering ratio, which in turn leads to all forces being dilluted into a higher steering range (the opposite is true when increasing the steering lock). FFB will also be indirectly affected by aero, tyre compound and presure settings - basically anything that affects the peak forces being produced on the tyres will make the FFB ligther or stiffer. This why karts for example have very stiff steering even though these are very light vehicles, the Caster angle is very high and all forces are concentrated on a very narrow steering range.

It´s important to observe the FFB system, like everything else in AMS2 is still under active development - things may still change and evolve, and as they do we will amend this article to reflect it.

Below is an overview of the Force Feedback settings and our recommendations on how to tune them:


PROFILE: Currently there is only one, Default profile - you should only change to "Custom" if you have modified ffb_custom_settings.txt file in MyDocs/Automobilista 2 folder - if you haven´t changed that file, "Custom" will be no different from "Default" profile.


GAIN: Defines maximum force output. The default 100% setting has some clipping built-in, specially on high downforce vehicles as in these the steering column torque can easily exceed 30Nm when car is under heavy load in a fast corners, while front tires are fully gripping and self-aligning torque is very high

For Direct Drive wheels, it is recommended to set gain around 40-50%. This has thus far been tested mostly on a Fanatec DD1 base. Stronger wheels may use even lower Gain values.


LOW FORCE BOOST: Similarly to AMS1, LFB serves as an "amplifier" of FFB when tyres are relatively unloaded, useful specially for wheels with weaker motors like in Logitech G2X wheels, to enhance these lower range forces without necessarily adding clipping to the top range.

If you feel the FFB is lacking or "limp" when travelling at slower speeds or during straights, you may want to experiment with some level of LFB - may be set as high as 80% in Logitech G2X or other similar wheels, while stronger Fanatec / Thrustmaster wheels should be set somewhere in the range of 30-60%.

Even if you have a Direct Drive wheel and are unsatisfied with the force output while tyres are unloaded, you may use Low Force Boost @ 10-30% without concern for clipping high forces as LFB only applies at the lower end of the force range and will never saturate / introduce clipping on it's own.


FX: Adds a little vibration from the engine as it goes through the RPM range (very faint, and linked to the engine´s actual angular velocity); it also adds a "Tyre Scrub" effect, which is a function of tyre vibration that would naturally transfer as vibration onto wheel rim, fed by the physics.


MENU SPRING controls wheel centering spring only while navigating the UI. For DD wheels it should be set to 0 or some other very low value.

EDIT1:
Controller Damping in the UI relates to gamepad & other digital controllers only - it´s NOT a FFB setting.

Currently, we do not control damping and friction from in game. Both are important on DD wheels. We will later model these from physics directly.

Recommended settings for DD1 Fanatec:
Damper: 25
Friction: 5
Inertia: 10
Interpolation: 4 (this is largely down to personal preference. On SimuCube this could be "Reconstruciton filter", some others "smoothing")

Recommended settings for Logitech G2X wheels:
attachFull4987

These are from AMS1 but remain relevant for AMS2, except damper & spring are currently not applied to AMS2.

More to come as we get direct experience with a larger range of wheels - in the meantime you can find several user suggestions in replies to this topic[forum.reizastudios.com] in our official forum.

[Marius]

Great!

[MaC22]

hy guys...nice job to be in early access....a question about the tendency of cars to lock the rear

[rallysmo]

so about brake sensitive

[Rocket455Man [FIN]]

Hi!

How about T300 RS settings?

[Alice Cooper]

First up I'm not down on AMS2, I want to like it long term. But I have tried everything trying to get the sense of road resistance possible with AMS1 using a Logitech G27 and failed. Yes I have tried several tracks and tons of different cars. Its not happening. Oh and "Recommended settings for Logitech G2X wheels: attachFull4987" is fine but with what suggested in game FFB and wheel settings????? Nothing I have seen here or online so far has really helped so has anybody got any bright ideas?

[Bstu]

Bright idea No.1: For G29 I use 47/80/25/40
Bright Idea No.2: Wait a little..

[Alice Cooper]

Originally posted by Bstu:

Bright idea No.1: For G29 I use 47/80/25/40
Bright Idea No.2: Wait a little..

Thanks for the input. I have been working away myself and if thats the gain at 47 you have then I tend to agree. The gain in the 40 to 50 range is working really well for me. As for "wait a little", I'm happy to wait as long as it takes. Like I said I'm looking to enjoy this game for the long haul. Thanks again.

[Bstu]

"I'm happy to wait as long as it takes. Like I said I'm looking to enjoy this game for the long haul."

^Exactly my thoughts on this too. Both our wheels are in the budget range, they certainly don't have the ffb range of more expensive wheels. Considering that, I think they have already done a good job.
No matter what you tweak, some games will always make my G29 feel like a cheap wheel, AMS2 already doesn't.

[YoLolo69]

Originally posted by Alice Cooper:

First up I'm not down on AMS2, I want to like it long term. But I have tried everything trying to get the sense of road resistance possible with AMS1 using a Logitech G27 and failed. Yes I have tried several tracks and tons of different cars. Its not happening. Oh and "Recommended settings for Logitech G2X wheels: attachFull4987" is fine but with what suggested in game FFB and wheel settings????? Nothing I have seen here or online so far has really helped so has anybody got any bright ideas?

Check here for the missing screenshot and the official thread on Reiza forum : https://forum.reizastudios.com/threads/automobilista-2-force-feedback-overview-recommendations.9852/

[angyboyd]

Has anyone got a Thrustmaster TMX or T150 wheel? What are your FFB settings? Thanks

[Seb-38]

salut amis pilotes!!! je roule au t300rs j ai tout essayé comme reglage du ffb et je n ai rien de vraiment top.... niveau profiler thrustmaster je suis par defaut (apres avoir tout essayé) et dans le jeu donc le gain est a 100 (preconisation reiza) le lfb a 60 (selon le vehicule on peut baisser si trop dur au mini a 30)pour le fx (vibration) c est la que le bas blesse car quoi je mette je ne ressent pas assez les vibreurs et c est vraiment ce coté la qui me turlupine... du coup j ai mis 80 mais je vois pas vraiment de differences par rapport a la valeur par defaut.. la derniere valeur je suis a 40 mais on s en fou c est juste le ffb dans les menus.. pour resumer j ai vraiment tout essayé meme dans les fichiers du jeu jusqu a meme tout supprimé mais rien n y fait. ce jeu a du potentiel il est pas dégueu manque juste une GROSSE MAJ FFB pour etre au top. le jeux n est pas fini soyons patient,bon confinement a tous prenez soin de vous!!

[wilburnator]

Any settings recommended for Accuforce?
So far, it doesn't feel great

[tonybew]

so what does attachfull4987 mean please

[Bstu]

as posted above:

Check here for the missing screenshot and the official thread on Reiza forum : https://forum.reizastudios.com/threads/automobilista-2-force-feedback-overview-recommendations.9852/

[tonybew]

Originally posted by Bstu:

as posted above:

Check here for the missing screenshot and the official thread on Reiza forum : https://forum.reizastudios.com/threads/automobilista-2-force-feedback-overview-recommendations.9852/

Thanks I didn't spot the missing screenshot bit