Production, Shipment, Transport - Explain them please?

[DRY411S]

Please can somebody explain the difference between Production, Shipment and Transport? It seems that all 3 have to be above a certain level for a factory to upgrade. Production must be based on what is delivered. Is Shipment the finished Goods taken away, and Transport 'ingredients' that are delivered? Or the other way around perhaps?

I have Production 190+ all the time, and Transport 100% constantly, but cannot get Shipment above 110ish. There are no finished goods waiting to be taken away, and no 'ingredients' in stock waiting to made into finished goods.

(in this case, ingredients = wheat, finished goods = bread)

[SlimNasty™]

Hit the question mark bottom left, then click on an industry and the game will explain these in detail

[DRY411S]

Thanks! So a follow up question. If 190 units are produced, but only 110 shipped in a year, does that mean 80 are taking longer than a year to ship, or they are somehow being 'lost' or spoiled,+ because I think I'm shipping everything.

[Autocoach]

Check the final charts tab , if the red and blue column are the same size you are using everything if not then you don't have sufficient demand for all the production and some is going outside of your network and effectively being lost to you.

[SpeedingOffence]

While I'm not clear on what it does actually mean, it doesn't mean % of goods that have been shipped. I have a facility that's been operating for years without a single lost item (I've been watching it, and I checked the charts, in case) and one of the 3 trains loading there shows 54%. It'd be very nice to find an actual manual on the game, it's almost impossible to search this because 'transport' is right in the game title, and google doesn't seem to acknowledge that you're trying to search something about transport in Transport Fever 2.

[genemead]

I just clicked on the industry, then on the blue "?".

[Anigel]

Production is how much of a good was produced this will be less than the max if it runs out of raw materials.
Shipment relates to the demand of places you are shipping product to.
Transport is how much of that shipment you transported elsewhere.

To explain Shipment. If you are taking goods from a factory that produces 200 units to somewhere that requires 100 units then your shipment will be 100 add in another location that requires 100 units and your shipment will go to 200.

It is basically the amount of goods being produced that is demanded on lines you have going from that place.

[DazzaBeee]

Thanks for these answers. This clears things up to some extent.
My quarry was in this situation where I needed production to be higher to help the brick factory. The Quarry showed the two levels on the last tab that only about 50% of the products made were reaching their destination. The middle tab of the quarry screen showed the customers. This appears to be potential customers that the game already has planned within it, based on the other businesses on the map. One of the customers named was another brick factory on the other side of the map. So I started supplying that and the quarry then started show the shipment levels catching up to full. However, it was not good business to start doing that due to the other brick factory being so far away, at least, that's what I thought because there is another quarry nearer to the 2nd brick factory that I am not yet using.
So I would say that what I should actually have done is leave the quarry at the 50% shipment level until later in the game and concentrate on the factory that produces the goods first. So I should have started supplying the factory from the 2nd quarry instead of supplying the 2nd brick factory from Quarry number 1. I haven't yet let this scenario run so I am only assuming it is not a profitable situation but we will see.

[Vimpster]

Originally posted by DazzaBeee:

However, it was not good business to start doing that due to the other brick factory being so far away, at least, that's what I thought because there is another quarry nearer to the 2nd brick factory that I am not yet using.
So I would say that what I should actually have done is leave the quarry at the 50% shipment level until later in the game and concentrate on the factory that produces the goods first. So I should have started supplying the factory from the 2nd quarry instead of supplying the 2nd brick factory from Quarry number 1. I haven't yet let this scenario run so I am only assuming it is not a profitable situation but we will see.

All other factors being equal the most profitable construction material factory to ship stone to is the one furthest away. You are paid for the distance, so you want as long a distance as possible to maximise profits.

[lozacenz]

A slight clarification: You're income per trip depends on the Straight Line distance, your expenses per trip depend on how long it takes to get there. This still Usually adds up to the longest trip being the most profitable, but if the trip involves too much weaving around and up and down that can cease to be the case. (of course, you're paid from pick up to drop off, not from source to destination, so if you take something half way across the map, switch it to a different train, take it all the way to the Opposite side of the map, switch trains, and then bring it back to a destination half a train length over from the source... you get paid for two map widths of 'straight line' travel distance... which is a bit absurd.)

[DazzaBeee]

Originally posted by Vimpster:

Originally posted by DazzaBeee:

However, it was not good business to start doing that due to the other brick factory being so far away, at least, that's what I thought because there is another quarry nearer to the 2nd brick factory that I am not yet using.
So I would say that what I should actually have done is leave the quarry at the 50% shipment level until later in the game and concentrate on the factory that produces the goods first. So I should have started supplying the factory from the 2nd quarry instead of supplying the 2nd brick factory from Quarry number 1. I haven't yet let this scenario run so I am only assuming it is not a profitable situation but we will see.

All other factors being equal the most profitable construction material factory to ship stone to is the one furthest away. You are paid for the distance, so you want as long a distance as possible to maximise profits.

Ah, yes. I had seen something stating this in a post about how to make money. So maybe it will be good for my profits then.
Cheers.

[DazzaBeee]

Originally posted by lozacenz:

A slight clarification: You're income per trip depends on the Straight Line distance, your expenses per trip depend on how long it takes to get there. This still Usually adds up to the longest trip being the most profitable, but if the trip involves too much weaving around and up and down that can cease to be the case. (of course, you're paid from pick up to drop off, not from source to destination, so if you take something half way across the map, switch it to a different train, take it all the way to the Opposite side of the map, switch trains, and then bring it back to a destination half a train length over from the source... you get paid for two map widths of 'straight line' travel distance... which is a bit absurd.)

Hey, yes, very absurd. Gives me the idea that when I build a train line from one town to the next I should include a massive detour as far as I can afford to build, such as a looping section that goes around the map three times.
Still, wont be realistic if I did and there is probably no need if the quarry already expects to supply another brick works across the map then the profits should be decent.
Cheers

[mvfoley1215]

I don't see how that will work at all. The distance you get paid for is the straight line distance between the producer and the customer (customer being the city or industry needing that item). The maintenance cost of operating the train or truck is based on the actual distance traveled. So if you are shipping coal by train to a Steel Mill that is a short distance from your mine having your train take a zig zagging route will only add greater cost and eat into your profits.

[Vimpster]

Originally posted by mvfoley1215:

I don't see how that will work at all. The distance you get paid for is the straight line distance between the producer and the customer (customer being the city or industry needing that item). The maintenance cost of operating the train or truck is based on the actual distance traveled. So if you are shipping coal by train to a Steel Mill that is a short distance from your mine having your train take a zig zagging route will only add greater cost and eat into your profits.

You are not paid based on the straight line distance between producer and customer. Rather, you are paid for the straight line distance between pick up location and drop off location. So if you unload the cargo and pick it back up again on another line between each zig zag you will be paid for the distance between each of those zigs and zags that you transport it.

[Oliver Tressillian]

Mmm, I'm currently at 12 Billion in one of my play troughs and my lines zig and zag and rises and drops like crazy, am i missing something ?, as I like to create scenic routes and all my transport vehicles from trucks to planes are at the highest level of maintenance as well... all of them.