No path? Why?

[arnelilleseter]

So I have a simple train-line from one passenger station to another with 2 trains. I have just upgraded it to a double-track (one way each way) and now the trains can't find a path to one of the stations.
I've checked the signals and the track several times and in line manager the line shows up as it should be. The trains are passenger trains and passengers are waiting on the platform at both ends.
I have enough money to rebuild the entire track but I would rather now what's causing it.

[Autocoach]

Probably the trains are too long and foul the switch (points) , flip one of the trains round and confirm it will not go .

[macragge]

sometimes it bugs out when you double track with trains close by...best way is to reverse the trains...that solves that problem sometimes.

[Martin]

Originally posted by arnelilleseter:

So I have a simple train-line from one passenger station to another with 2 trains. I have just upgraded it to a double-track (one way each way) and now the trains can't find a path to one of the stations.
I've checked the signals and the track several times and in line manager the line shows up as it should be. The trains are passenger trains and passengers are waiting on the platform at both ends.
I have enough money to rebuild the entire track but I would rather now what's causing it.

Sometimes I'm in a bad mood when I respond.. hehe. Edited.

Most likely reason for this is when the 2nd track was laid, the trains were on the wrong track.

[Gregorovitch]

There are several things to check & it's good you want to figure this out rather than rebuild 'cos it will help you understand how the game's routing etc works.

Place to start is to open line statistics window and click on the line in question to bring up it's line window top right. This will show you the coloured chevrons lines for the route on the map, where the game wants you trains to go right now. Looking at this might immediately show you what the problem is. They might be routed on the same line in both directions, for example, even though you have two tracks, and are currently facing each other - deadly face-off.

Unfortunately they don't crash into each other in a face off situation in this game, they just sit there doing nothing. /boring.

You then want to look at this stuff to fix it:

1. If you have more than one platform at the stations you must have crossover points immediately outside the stations so the trains can get to their allotted platform from the incoming track and from it onto the correct track for their return legs.

2. You need at least one pair of signals along the line to indicate which track is up and which track is down or the automatic line routing won't work properly.

3. You also need a signal outside the each station on the incoming track to stop trains until the path to their allotted platform is clear.

[jvp]

The placement of switches near platforms can be very annoying. Especially if it's a dead-end platform (And yes, a through station with only one end connected is also a dead end), problem is a few meters are reserved at the dead end, so if you have a 160m platform and a 158 m train you need to have a few meters between the platform and the switch. This has caught me out several times when I upgraded a train to one that'll just fit my platform length only to realize that my switches was built right after the platforms...

[arnelilleseter]

Originally posted by Autocoach:

Probably the trains are too long and foul the switch (points) , flip one of the trains round and confirm it will not go .

Originally posted by macragge:

sometimes it bugs out when you double track with trains close by...best way is to reverse the trains...that solves that problem sometimes.

Done that. Doesn't help.

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Place to start is to open line statistics window and click on the line in question to bring up it's line window top right. This will show you the coloured chevrons lines for the route on the map, where the game wants you trains to go right now. Looking at this might immediately show you what the problem is. They might be routed on the same line in both directions, for example, even though you have two tracks, and are currently facing each other - deadly face-off.

As I said originaly, I've checked that.

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

1. If you have more than one platform at the stations you must have crossover points immediately outside the stations so the trains can get to their allotted platform from the incoming track and from it onto the correct track for their return legs.

I don't have crossover points, I have one platform at each end that the two tracks join into.

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

3. You also need a signal outside the each station on the incoming track to stop trains until the path to their allotted platform is clear.

Done that.


I haven't done anything I haven't done many times before and I've checked everything I can think of. I can't see that I've done anything wrong.

[Kniff]

set stops (or signals) and add them to your line until you find the cause

[arnelilleseter]

Originally posted by jvp:

The placement of switches near platforms can be very annoying. Especially if it's a dead-end platform (And yes, a through station with only one end connected is also a dead end), problem is a few meters are reserved at the dead end, so if you have a 160m platform and a 158 m train you need to have a few meters between the platform and the switch. This has caught me out several times when I upgraded a train to one that'll just fit my platform length only to realize that my switches was built right after the platforms...

One of the stations are just big enough, but the signals are more than a trains lenght away from the station.

[Autocoach]

Dropbox the save or provide a few screenshots of the ends of the routes with the line manager open I guess.

[arnelilleseter]

Originally posted by Autocoach:

Dropbox the save or provide a few screenshots of the ends of the routes with the line manager open I guess.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1950495874

I haven't done this before. Please tell me if I've done it correctly.

[Saber Kitsune]

Originally posted by arnelilleseter:

Originally posted by Autocoach:

Dropbox the save or provide a few screenshots of the ends of the routes with the line manager open I guess.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1950495874

I haven't done this before. Please tell me if I've done it correctly.

Switches are too close to station. Move the switch out a bit.

[Autocoach]

The above is confirmed you can see the start of the switch inside the station , the train clearly can not clear it and with one way signals it is not allowed to travel the other way . Train 4 needs flipping also (tell it to go the other way)

Placing the switch about 40m outside the station solves.

[arnelilleseter]

Originally posted by Saber Kitsune:

Switches are too close to station. Move the switch out a bit.

Solved it. Thanks.

[arnelilleseter]

Originally posted by jvp:

The placement of switches near platforms can be very annoying. Especially if it's a dead-end platform (And yes, a through station with only one end connected is also a dead end), problem is a few meters are reserved at the dead end, so if you have a 160m platform and a 158 m train you need to have a few meters between the platform and the switch. This has caught me out several times when I upgraded a train to one that'll just fit my platform length only to realize that my switches was built right after the platforms...

Turns out you where right. I misunderstood and thought you where talking about signals not switches.

[GrumpySmurf]

I am having the exact same problem. I have a single line from one Passenger Station to another. Line manager shows the colored lines running to each station with no breaks. I have no switches on the line anywhere, however I am receiving a NO PATH error for the line. Any advice would be great!!
Maybe this could call for a feature addition, the ability to debug and trace routes for errors.
Thanks