Central Bus Station Hub Question? Over Crowded Bus Stops_Thank You

[LarryA]

New to TF2. Read some post, guides and watched a few YT videos People like a direct routes. Place a bus station in the center of town? Use it for a Hub to transfer people on various bus routes from the bus hub to there destinations. Train station, Residential, Commercial and Industrial in town. Bus stations at the airport, train and ship terminals will the people transfer from buses at the hub and go to various locations per bus route. Or are they very stubborn and refuse the bus ride?

Thank you for your response and Have A Great Day.

[Martin]

The people will use any medium to transfer if you provide it. I use bus stations, tram, trains, ships, aircraft combinations all the time.

[canophone]

It's best path. Passengers will choose the route that is the best average headway/service frequency combination of routes and commute time. But when overloaded, they will try to find another path, if they can. If they can't, they will "go home" as their destination.

[Vimpster]

In my opinion a bus/tram hub should be located, not in the middle of town, but next to the entrance of a train station, or airport, or any other 'out of town' service. If those out of town services are in the middle of town than sure, have the hub in the middle. But it is generally not the best idea to put such things in the middle of town if you are at all concerned with emissions.

People will make many transfers to reach their destinations, so long as the route adheres to the criteria canophone mentioned. In one instance I followed a person who took a bus service from their starting town to a neighbouring town. From there they transferred to a local tram line. Half way across town they transferred to another tram line which took them to the far side of town. From there they transferred to a train line that took them to a 3rd town where their final destination was. It took them about 2.5 years to travel in the one direction, in part because of overcrowded platforms.

[Martin]

Yeh the little passenger stops seem to overflow at 60 people.

[LarryA]

Thanks for the suggestion placed the bus station so it is directly connected to the train station. 85 + people. 3 bus stations 45 +.
Was wondering what the maximum for a bus stop was. 60. Add 2 bus lines on loops from the bus station and stops to Industrial and Commercial reverse the routes use double bus stops.

In regards to emissions. Is it ok to place bus stops in residential areas or is better to make loops around Residential, Commercial and Industrial areas with double bus stops?

Thank you for answering the questions. Really appreciate the response.

[canophone]

I prefer to draw bus/tram lines on main corridors with less turns, but maximizing coverage with fewer lines. Whether it's best or not, I cannot say, but it's okay if some bus/tram lines don't profit as you'll get that from the regional connections.

[LarryA]

Originally posted by canophone:

I prefer to draw bus/tram lines on main corridors with less turns, but maximizing coverage with fewer lines. Whether it's best or not, I cannot say, but it's okay if some bus/tram lines don't profit as you'll get that from the regional connections.

Placing straight main lines on the heaviest traveled routes in Commercial, Industrial and Residential areas and feeder straight lines off the main lines? Main lines 3 with 2 feeder lines = 6 bus lines total and 6 routes number of buses vary. How far will they walk to a bus stop. The covered area (white) of the bus stop? May have to many bus stops?

Thank You and Have A Great Day.

[Vimpster]

Originally posted by LarryA:

How far will they walk to a bus stop. The covered area (white) of the bus stop? May have to many bus stops?

Depends how far they are going to travel. If you want people to travel really far than you need to minimise how much walking they do. If they have to walk too much to reach your stops then they won't be going very far over all.

[LarryA]

Do some testing and see, Learning process looking forward to the challenge.
Thank you for the informative information.

Edited for spelling.

[Autocoach]

Just to point out that there is a second reason you should want to give every building in every town access to your network that is coverage by a bus stop or train station as this is how the public transport destinations figure is calculated . It is the number of destinations that can be reached by a person within their maximum time limit for travel . Once you have fast trains connecting every town people could go any(every)where on the map and you will have maximum bonus multiplier.

[LarryA]

Originally posted by Autocoach:

Just to point out that there is a second reason you should want to give every building in every town access to your network that is coverage by a bus stop or train station as this is how the public transport destinations figure is calculated . It is the number of destinations that can be reached by a person within their maximum time limit for travel . Once you have fast trains connecting every town people could go any(every)where on the map and you will have maximum bonus multiplier.

Was not aware inter city time and distance is calculated. How ever intra transportation is calculated. There is more than one approaches to building inter city routes after reading some guides. Straight lines, Loops, 2 bus stations across from each other. Want to be clear. "Not stating the guides and post are incorrect. They are using different approaches had me a bit confused. It is a learning curve makes it challenging to say the least.

Appreciate the tip "Thank You".

[canophone]

Originally posted by LarryA:

Originally posted by canophone:

I prefer to draw bus/tram lines on main corridors with less turns, but maximizing coverage with fewer lines. Whether it's best or not, I cannot say, but it's okay if some bus/tram lines don't profit as you'll get that from the regional connections.

Placing straight main lines on the heaviest traveled routes in Commercial, Industrial and Residential areas and feeder straight lines off the main lines? Main lines 3 with 2 feeder lines = 6 bus lines total and 6 routes number of buses vary. How far will they walk to a bus stop. The covered area (white) of the bus stop? May have to many bus stops?

Thank You and Have A Great Day.

It's merely a preference, and there's no wrong way to set up an inner city line. Only ways that increase congestion, including of transit vehicles. And ways to improve that commute time.

[Six]

I used to use a 3 tier system for city transport. I'd have an outer line with busses (now trams) running clock wise and counter clockwise, and then another route covering the core where the sky scrapers are. All routes ended up at a terminal at the train station. I ran both counter and clockwise routes because I noticed that if you ran just one line the people with the farthest to go wouldn't take the tram/bus till about half way through the route, where the time to the station was bout halved. Since the trams were only picking up passengers for half the route, I decided not to go the whole way around but have them head down the main city street and back to the station. This cut out the need for a central route. If you look at your cities all of them (at least on my map) have a main street that runs down the centre of the city, perfect for getting back to the terminus quickly.

[canophone]

Originally posted by Six:

I used to use a 3 tier system for city transport. I'd have an outer line with busses (now trams) running clock wise and counter clockwise, and then another route covering the core where the sky scrapers are. All routes ended up at a terminal at the train station. I ran both counter and clockwise routes because I noticed that if you ran just one line the people with the farthest to go wouldn't take the tram/bus till about half way through the route, where the time to the station was bout halved. Since the trams were only picking up passengers for half the route, I decided not to go the whole way around but have them head down the main city street and back to the station. This cut out the need for a central route. If you look at your cities all of them (at least on my map) have a main street that runs down the centre of the city, perfect for getting back to the terminus quickly.

In my case, it's because I generally don't prefer loops. I've seen both in existence in cities, and direct usually provides better service, except to certain locales.

[LarryA]

After changing the inter city bus routes transport went from poor to very good rating. Then added 2 more trains from points A, B and C one line for public transportation. City needs. Example Tools and Refined Fuel increased as well from 10% to 100%. City growth is 140%. Buses are loosing money made up in other transportation needs and services. Pretty interesting how bus lanes effect the entire economy. It is a juggling act for lack of better terminology.

Thank You to everyone that made recommended how 2s on Bus Routes.

Have A Great Day