This is NOT a single player game

[cubesteak]

Please remove the single player tag. Love the idea, love the promise. Would not have bought it if I'd realized that SP is a total non-starter at this point.

[>< V ><]

Originally posted by Grubfist:

Originally posted by Sollux:

actually agree with OP this isnt a single player game . even with two added brains on one ship its little to no help just pull the tag for now . you can always readd it later if it gets to a point where its actually soloable

Every difficulty and mission length can be done solo with the Lone Sentry loadout. The two brains are an enormous help once you get a feel for how to come at the missions.
I made a video for anyone who doubts their capabilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVCbfk5bWsI
That said, the game is primarily aimed at a multiplayer experience. So it feels like a grey area to me. Single player is definitely very do-able and kindof its own experience. But it's very much not the focus. I feel like removing the singleplayer tag wouldn't be entirely unfair, since it's primarily a "my friend isn't online but I wanna do something" kinda mode rather than a "I bought the game for this experience" kinda mode.

It's not a matter of whether it can be done solo or not. It's a matter of whether it is fun or not and I don't see that a single player is going to have fun with this game.

The BRAINS are bad and cost way too much power for their effectiveness. Cruise control is minor in that many enemies predict your motion when they shoot and you're still going to get hit just cruising along in a straight line.

Logically speaking, clearing one mission is not proof or evidence that "every difficulty and mission length can be done solo" when you clearly cherry picked the mission you chose. You even start your video with "this isn't a bad one, let's do this" clearly implying your cherry picking.

If you want to "prove" every difficulty and mission length can be done solo then you have to go and do them all solo.

This is not a single player game. It's not whether a single player can do it, but whether they will be entertained with the entertainment they just purchased. The single player tag I consider to be propaganda. That is, knowingly giving false information.

[Smurff-a-thon2k]

Originally posted by >< V ><:

Originally posted by Grubfist:

Every difficulty and mission length can be done solo with the Lone Sentry loadout. The two brains are an enormous help once you get a feel for how to come at the missions.
I made a video for anyone who doubts their capabilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVCbfk5bWsI
That said, the game is primarily aimed at a multiplayer experience. So it feels like a grey area to me. Single player is definitely very do-able and kindof its own experience. But it's very much not the focus. I feel like removing the singleplayer tag wouldn't be entirely unfair, since it's primarily a "my friend isn't online but I wanna do something" kinda mode rather than a "I bought the game for this experience" kinda mode.

It's not a matter of whether it can be done solo or not. It's a matter of whether it is fun or not and I don't see that a single player is going to have fun with this game.

The BRAINS are bad and cost way too much power for their effectiveness. Cruise control is minor in that many enemies predict your motion when they shoot and you're still going to get hit just cruising along in a straight line.

Logically speaking, clearing one mission is not proof or evidence that "every difficulty and mission length can be done solo" when you clearly cherry picked the mission you chose. You even start your video with "this isn't a bad one, let's do this" clearly implying your cherry picking.

If you want to "prove" every difficulty and mission length can be done solo then you have to go and do them all solo.

This is not a single player game. It's not whether a single player can do it, but whether they will be entertained with the entertainment they just purchased. The single player tag I consider to be propaganda. That is, knowingly giving false information.

you are putting words in the devs mouth with "It's not whether a single player can do it, but whether they will be entertained"

thats not the definition of "single player"

you CAN play this game alone... solo.. as a 'single' player. period. end of DEFINITION.

the entire premise of your post is YOUR OWN OPINION of what is fun...

plenty of people will find the high challenged fun....
no one said the SINGLE PLAYER in this game WILL BE fun and perfect for EVERYONE...
or did you want to keep assuming more things for random people?

its early access d00d... get off it and see where the devs take it IN TIME...

[Grubfist]

Originally posted by >< V ><:

It's not a matter of whether it can be done solo or not. It's a matter of whether it is fun or not and I don't see that a single player is going to have fun with this game.

The BRAINS are bad and cost way too much power for their effectiveness. Cruise control is minor in that many enemies predict your motion when they shoot and you're still going to get hit just cruising along in a straight line.

I've spent over 7 hours enjoying myself in solo, so I'm gonna go ahead and say it is definitely fun for solo players. The BRAINS do very well and the power management on that loadout is set up well enough that you need no additions to make use of it, just managing of modules, which is already a big part of the game. You may not like the solo aspect, and that's fine, but it's not some great falsehood just because it's not your thing. You're right that cruise control can't really dodge attacks, but it's not really meant to. It's really designed to just give you a moment to manage the modules and that's it.

[Lufty]

Did anyone read the reviews? Watch some streams? Read the description?

Void Crew is clearly a friends co-op mission-based game at heart. I am skeptical about moving development resources to make it more single-player friendly. The initial angle clearly was focused on co-op multiplayer vs AI missions, and dev should continue adding features in that direction IMO. It's what makes this game great is the social aspect, stress levels, coms, etc.!

Perhaps adding a LFG thread in the Steam Discussion forum as a sticky for folks looking to team up would be good. There already are multiple LFG chanels in the Void Crew Discord for folks looking to crew by region!

Also, it's a difficult game, so adding AI single-player and balancing that experience could potentially lead to more complaints as this seems off-track as far as the concept is concerned. For the few who are unable to get a few friends to play together, find a crew in the Discussion forums, try the match-making lobby, or the official Discord!

A removal of Single-Player from the description seems pretty drastic, as technically you CAN play solo, it's just less of an experience, more challenging, and not in-line with the design as it is best played/experienced co-op IMO.

[>< V ><]

Originally posted by Smurff-a-thon2k:

Originally posted by >< V ><:

It's not a matter of whether it can be done solo or not. It's a matter of whether it is fun or not and I don't see that a single player is going to have fun with this game.

The BRAINS are bad and cost way too much power for their effectiveness. Cruise control is minor in that many enemies predict your motion when they shoot and you're still going to get hit just cruising along in a straight line.

Logically speaking, clearing one mission is not proof or evidence that "every difficulty and mission length can be done solo" when you clearly cherry picked the mission you chose. You even start your video with "this isn't a bad one, let's do this" clearly implying your cherry picking.

If you want to "prove" every difficulty and mission length can be done solo then you have to go and do them all solo.

This is not a single player game. It's not whether a single player can do it, but whether they will be entertained with the entertainment they just purchased. The single player tag I consider to be propaganda. That is, knowingly giving false information.

you are putting words in the devs mouth with "It's not whether a single player can do it, but whether they will be entertained"

thats not the definition of "single player"

you CAN play this game alone... solo.. as a 'single' player. period. end of DEFINITION.

the entire premise of your post is YOUR OWN OPINION of what is fun...

plenty of people will find the high challenged fun....
no one said the SINGLE PLAYER in this game WILL BE fun and perfect for EVERYONE...
or did you want to keep assuming more things for random people?

its early access d00d... get off it and see where the devs take it IN TIME...

No where did I put words in the devs mouth. This is you being, not logical.

If you want to go play basketball, single player, you can. Does that make basketball a single player game? You can play Monopoly single player, does that make it a single player game? You can even DM your own single party, as a single player, and that makes D&D a single player game?

You have thee most simplistic view of 'single player'. You don't factor in, at all, on whether the experience is entertaining, as if you don't understand that this is entertainment.

And yes, this is early access d00d, where you agreed to a legally binding contract that the game may already be in its final state. Whatever hope you have for the future is entirely a faith based argument.

I get it. The game has potential, but this dev team is incompetent. This is 2023 and this game has a 30 fps lock.

[Lufty]

I do not believe the Single Player listing is a "conspiracy". C'mon now folks.

Steam has a return policy. I would recommend using it. I have returned games before if they didn't meet my personal expectations.

I would also recommend, in the future, avoiding Early Access titles, avoid posting lengthy rants, disrespecting the developers and fellow gamers in Discussions, and simply returning the game.
Done. Simple.

[Bane Silvermoon]

I picked it up a bit ago and have been primarily playing it solo so far and enjoying it quite a bit. It's certainly better in a group, and I'll be doing that far more often going forward, but it's certainly an enjoyable experience solo as well. I wouldn't want much development time put towards that, but I don't see any reason that the tag would need to be removed.

[BigDrock]

Originally posted by >< V ><:

Originally posted by Smurff-a-thon2k:

you are putting words in the devs mouth with "It's not whether a single player can do it, but whether they will be entertained"

thats not the definition of "single player"

you CAN play this game alone... solo.. as a 'single' player. period. end of DEFINITION.

the entire premise of your post is YOUR OWN OPINION of what is fun...

plenty of people will find the high challenged fun....
no one said the SINGLE PLAYER in this game WILL BE fun and perfect for EVERYONE...
or did you want to keep assuming more things for random people?

its early access d00d... get off it and see where the devs take it IN TIME...

No where did I put words in the devs mouth. This is you being, not logical.

If you want to go play basketball, single player, you can. Does that make basketball a single player game? You can play Monopoly single player, does that make it a single player game? You can even DM your own single party, as a single player, and that makes D&D a single player game?

You have thee most simplistic view of 'single player'. You don't factor in, at all, on whether the experience is entertaining, as if you don't understand that this is entertainment.

And yes, this is early access d00d, where you agreed to a legally binding contract that the game may already be in its final state. Whatever hope you have for the future is entirely a faith based argument.

I get it. The game has potential, but this dev team is incompetent. This is 2023 and this game has a 30 fps lock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A&ab_channel=meRyanP