You're stopping me from playing a game I love and have bought??

[Rodj71]

What the heck? I have to agree to some new EULA in order to play a game I have bought years ago and love and have put 764 hours into. I went to go read the thing. It is extremely long, who is meant to read all of that? Geez... Can someone please assure me that if I click that I agree in order to play then I am not signing away my soul or anything, lol (not literally, but you get where I'm coming from?) This feels so wrong and against the spirit of the game. I thought the Dev was better than this.

[Stray]

No reassurance. Krafton is under Tencent. Many of us are attempting to file to refunds. Game is broken too. The languages are ridden with errors and was ran through some translator like Google.

[subwaybananas]

do you read all the other eulas, the ones from JB or any other game you bought? Even the one on steam? I guess not, why are you now so upset? Cause someone tells you what everytime happen when you buy a game online? The fury on this publisher change is hypocritical.
And even the Tencent arguement...

Publicado originalmente por Stray:

No reassurance. Krafton is under Tencent. Many of us are attempting to file to refunds. Game is broken too. The languages are ridden with errors and was ran through some translator like Google.

You are concerned about your data? Your public profil tells more, than KRAFTON receives from JB. You have already lots of games from publisher where Tencent holds more than the 14% in KRAFTON.

Be straight and leave steam, or admit to yourself that you are hypocritical. You throw all your data already in the public.

[Stray]

I don't care if they see the games I play lol if I cared about that I would be private. That's not PII or related to PII.

[100% Recycled Awesome]

Publicado originalmente por Stray:

I don't care if they see the games I play lol if I cared about that I would be private. That's not PII or related to PII.

What sort of PII do you even have on steam? And why?

[Stray]

Ok, so first off I dont want them having my email for a game that doesnt need it, but let me break some stuff down for you.


https://dinkum.krafton.com/en/policy/terms_of_service

PLEASE NOTE THE ARBITRATION AGREEMENT SET FORTH IN SECTION 11 AND THE CLASS ACTION WAIVER IN SECTION 14 BELOW, REQUIRES YOU TO, EXCEPT WHERE AND TO THE EXTENT PROHIBITED BY LAW, ARBITRATE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS ANY CLAIMS YOU MAY HAVE AGAINST THE COMPANY OR THE GAME’S LICENSORS. ARBITRATION ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS MEANS THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE, AND YOU WAIVE, THE RIGHT FOR A JUDGE OR JURY TO DECIDE YOUR CLAIMS, AND THE CLASS ACTION WAIVER MEANS THAT YOU MAY NOT PROCEED IN A CLASS, CONSOLIDATED, OR REPRESENTATIVE CAPACITY.

ARBITRATION ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS MEANS THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE, AND YOU HEREBY WAIVE, THE RIGHT FOR A JUDGE OR JURY TO DECIDE YOUR CLAIMS, AND THAT YOU MAY NOT PROCEED IN A CLASS, CONSOLIDATED, OR REPRESENTATIVE CAPACITY. Other rights that you and we would otherwise have in court will not be available or will be more limited in arbitration, including discovery and appeal rights. If a dispute arises between Company and the User, Company shall faithfully demonstrate the measures taken in respect of the User, including any restrictions of usage, and will comply with result of any arbitration decision.

14. Class Action Waiver

To the extent that it is permissible under the applicable law, consistent with the foregoing arbitration agreement, you agree not to participate in, including but not limited to, a class or representative action, private attorney general action, or collective arbitration related to the Game, the Documentation or Services or these Terms. You also agree not to seek to combine any action or arbitration related to the Game, the Documentation or Services or these Terms with any other action or arbitration without the consent of all parties to these Terms and all other actions or arbitrations.

They have a class action waiver and claims against the company waiver.

Subject to your agreement and compliance with these Terms, the Company and, as applicable, its licensors grant to you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable, non-transferable, non-sublicensable right to download, install and use one (1) copy of the Game on one (1) computer, console, mobile or similar device now known or hereafter devised (each, a “Device”) or one (1) storefront account at any given time solely for your personal use (the “License”). Subject to Section 3(f) (consent to account transfer), the License shall be non-transferrable. All rights not specifically granted under this License are hereby reserved by the Company and, as applicable, by its licensors. The Game is licensed to you, not sold. This License does not give you any title or ownership in the Game and should not be construed as a sale or transfer of any intellectual property or other rights to the Game. The License shall terminate automatically if you fail to comply with these Terms. In such event, you must uninstall all copies of the Game and the Game Software. You may also terminate the License at any time by uninstalling the Game Software from your Devices (including any archival copies).

You can no longer, by terms, share this game in Family share in Steam by their rules. They also follow the same thing Steam typically does where you do not own your game. You "license" ONE copy.

exploit errors and bugs found while playing the Game, the Documentation or using the Services;

Why does this matter? This isnt an MMO. They are now telling you how to play. I guess people can no longer use the infinite dirt glitch or the remove dirt glitch. Even though it hurts no one. Cant use the item duping glitch anymore either because its... bad for... what? An invisible non-existent economy??

use, develop, advertise, trade, or distribute unauthorized programs, including but not limited to any programs that intercept communications in the Game between a game and a game server or between a Service and its server, or any unauthorized third-party programs or Devices that may affect the Game or normal game play or access to the Services (including but not limited to hacks, cheats, helpers, bots, scripts, trainers, automatic programs, automatic mouse, mouse with macro function, programs that collect or modify game data by reading the game memory, etc.).

Again, this is mainly an offline game that isnt an MMO and doesnt have an economy so who cares how we play? It sounds like a lot of the current mods that people use for things like making the mines easier, having better automation, and NPC icons on the map are now against ToS.

I have to go through the Operating Policy and Privacy Policy next.

[subwaybananas]

Publicado originalmente por Stray:

I don't care if they see the games I play lol if I cared about that I would be private. That's not PII or related to PII.

Do you ever took care about your data and tencent before? I guess not one second on most of your games. With a quick look in your library I see four games where Tencent holds more than the 14% on Krafton. And that´s only the few i´ve looked and I know. Tencent have investments in over 600 game studios and publisher, good luck avoid Tencent in the future.

You outrage because you read something about personal data and someone tells Krafton = Tencent. If you really care about something like this, your steam library would be much smaller.

JB/Krafton is transparent what happen, that is their mistake. Noone cares all the other times when something like this happen, cause noone else gives you a message like this. But its always public informations. And in most cases its an investment takeover, not a dev/publisher collab.

[Stray]

Publicado originalmente por subwaybananas:

Publicado originalmente por Stray:

I don't care if they see the games I play lol if I cared about that I would be private. That's not PII or related to PII.

Do you ever took care about your data and tencent before? I guess not one second on most of your games. With a quick look in your library I see four games where Tencent holds more than the 14% on Krafton. And that´s only the few i´ve looked and I know. Tencent have investments in over 600 game studios and publisher, good luck avoid Tencent in the future.

You outrage because you read something about personal data and someone tells Krafton = Tencent. If you really care about something like this, your steam library would be much smaller.

JB/Krafton is transparent what happen, that is their mistake. Noone cares all the other times when something like this happen, cause noone else gives you a message like this. But its always public informations. And in most cases its an investment takeover, not a dev/publisher collab.

How can I stop it when games get bought or passed around? You can't because there are no rules. Companies arnt honest who they are under making it a web of confusion, intentionally. I dont even have or use TikTok. Just because I happen to have or have previously game that was and or is now part of Tencent, doesnt mean I knew back then or the game might not have originally been under them.

Stop making excuses for companies to pass around data and information. We need protection. We should have rights.

[subwaybananas]

Publicado originalmente por Stray:

I have to go through the Operating Policy and Privacy Policy next.

Have fun to read all the policies on the other games in your library, you could see the same. And you always signed it before without a second.

[subwaybananas]

Publicado originalmente por Stray:

How can I stop it when games get bought or passed around? You can't because there are no rules. Companies arnt honest who they are under making it a web of confusion, intentionally. I dont even have or use TikTok. Just because I happen to have or have previously game that was and or is now part of Tencent, doesnt mean I knew back then or the game might not have originally been under them.

Stop making excuses for companies to pass around data and information. We need protection. We should have rights.

Tencent had already take their investments before most of the games published...

Yes privat data is a serious thing, in this case it is not that hot you´re doing. Again, if you really concerned about that behavior, you shouldn´t be here on steam.
All your arguments here are also against steam and your game library. And guess what, i bet you would buy again a game here on steam. Or any other plattform with the same policies.

[Stray]

2) Scope of Permissible MODs

• Convenience Enhancement MODs: MODs that display item prices, enable automatic item collection, improve crafting convenience, and other features that do not compromise the core mechanics of the game are permitted.

They dont define what "core mechanics of the game" are. There is no list from what I can see that defines what is and isnt permitted besides these few examples here.

Privacy Policy

The Collection and Use Personal Information
We collect your information in two ways:
1) Information collected directly from you (e.g. nickname, email address)
2) Information collected automatically (e.g. device info such as OS version)
For details, see “2. What Information Do We Collect” of Privacy Policy.

Sales and Sharing of Personal Information
We share your information to provide you with the best game environment, for example, with cloud service providers. However, we do not sales personal information to third parties and not share personal information with third parties for the purpose of cross-context behavioral advertising.
For details, see “4. How We Share Your Information” of Privacy Policy.

There is a typo in here and they dont define what they mean by "third party". As someone who works with legal documents, you CANNOT "assume" a definition of a word and the definition in Webster does not always hold in court. Typically agreements have definition sections, I havnt found one yet.

2. What Information Do We Collect

We will collect the following categories of information that may directly or indirectly identify or describe you or your device or information that may be reasonably capable of being associated with or reasonably linked to you or your device. The information you provide to us may differ depending on the circumstances. For example, these include:
1) Identifiers such as, SteamID64, nickname, IP address, email address, language, nationality, etc.;
2) Device or Network Information such as, OS version, etc.;
3) Game information, such as information about crash report and system activity details(game setting, play date/time, etc.); and
4) Purchase information, such as purchase date, items, etc.

When you participate in social features (such as in-game chat), the information that you disclose is public information. We may store and access it, and it may be read, copied, collected, or used by other users without your consent.
We use this data to operate and improve our Game and Services. Some of this information is collected through our use of cookies and related online tools/technologies. See our “Cookies and Related Technologies” section below for more information.

They will be reading everything you type in game and probably be keeping your in game VC as well. If you play with friends and talk about random things you think might get you in violation such as politics or whatnot, I would advise no longer using in-game chat period. Even though they arnt hosting any servers and its all selfhosted.

3. How We Use Your Information

We use the collected information for a variety of purposes, primarily, to provide the Games and Services to players like you and to improve the quality of our Games and Services. These include:
1) To operate and provide our Games and Services;
2) To develop new games, improve the quality of our Games and Services, and fix bugs;
3) To manage inquiries and requests from you (e.g. refund items in-game, etc.);
******4) To provide advertising information and other information on marketing and promotional events and surveys; ******
***** 5) To track usage patterns, analyze trends of users, and calculate statistics on Games and Services; *****
6) To comply with and enforce legal requirements, agreements, and policies.
Most of the time, our processing of your personal information is necessary to respond to you or process your request. We may also process your information to comply with a relevant legal obligation. From time to time, we may ask for your consent to use your information for specific reasons. Where consent was provided and is required, you may withdraw your consent at any time by contacting us at the address provided in this Policy.

Numbers 4 and 5 are pretty big.

4. How We Share Your Information

We share certain personal information with third parties to provide our Games and Services to you, including service providers that process personal information on behalf of us to provide our Games and Services to you, like customer support and to manage our community. Some examples of these third parties are provided below. But we do not share your information with third parties for cross-context behavioral advertising.
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3) Marketing platforms and analytics services providers relating to player behavior, in order to tailor the Service and to conduct marketing activities(such as a leaderboard);
We may share your information where such disclosure is essential to comply with a legal obligation or a lawful data access request, pursuant to a merger or acquisition, with our affiliates(LIST: https://krafton.com/en/studios/) for the purposes described in this Policy, or where you have otherwise provided your consent or at your direction.

Marketing activities? Are we going to get daily login events, battle passes, and leaderboards for WHAT?

Also they are analyzing our behaviour what??

7. Retaining and Deleting Personal Information

In principle, we will remove your personal information without delay after the purpose of collecting personal information is achieved. Personal information stored in physical form will be shredded or incinerated, and personal information stored electronically will be removed using technical measures in a way that the information cannot be reproduced. However, we may retain your personal information even after you have closed your account with us or we have ceased providing Services to you, if retention of your personal information is reasonably necessary to comply with our legal obligations, meet regulatory requirements, resolve disputes, prevent fraud, cheating or abuse, or enforce this Policy or any other agreement we may have with a player.

They wont remove your data or stop processing it until after they get the data they want. So they get it any way. There is no actual opt out option period. They also keep your data and do who knows what with it later.

e. Right to opt-out of Selling and Sharing

You have the right to opt-out of the selling and sharing of your personal information as defined by California law by requesting that your personal information not be sold or shared in any form. With respect to targeted advertising, you can control the sharing of your personal information for targeted advertising purposes through our website by opting out from advertising cookies through the cookie banner.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT “SOLD” PERSONAL INFORMATION TO THIRD PARTIES AS THAT TERMS IS DEFINED BY THE CCPA WITHIN THE PAST 12 MONTHS. ALSO, WE HAVE NOT “SHARED” PERSONAL INFORMATION WITH THIRD PARTIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF CROSS-CONTEXT BEHAVIORAL ADVERTISING.

g. Shine the Light

You have the right to request the categories of the personal information that we disclosed to third parties for their direct marketing purposes during the past 12 months and information on the relevant third parties. Furthermore, you may also request that your personal information not be disclosed to third parties for their direct marketing purposes.

Friendly note if you live in CA.

1. EEA and UK
If you are in the European Economic Area (EEA) or the UK, you may lodge a complaint with an applicable data protection authority for your country or region where an alleged infringement of applicable data protection law occurs.
Our representative in the EU is VeraSafe Netherlands BV, located at Keizersgracht 555, 1017 DR Amsterdam, Netherlands. To contact them, please use the form available here: https://verasafe.com/public-resources/contact-data-protection-representative.
Our representative in the UK is VeraSafe United Kingdom Ltd., located at 37 Albert Embankment, London SE1 7TL, United Kingdom. To contact them, please use the form available here: https://verasafe.com/public-resources/contact-data-protection-representative.

EEA and UK friendly note.

[Auxesia]

Well then.

All Hell Broke Lose I think.

It was nice what we had. The game, James Bendon slowly crafting it. I didn't care if I had to wait 6 months for the next update. Jame could take his time on it. We were in a nice cozy bubble.

Not anymore. A publisher I couldn't care less is stepping between me and my game ? Fair Dinkum, huh ?

No, it's not fair for us. We put our trust in James Bendon, and I feel somewhat betrayed, because we -the gamers- didn't had a word to say on this. We just have to accept it or just stop playing ?

Guess what : I'm stopping. I played this game since its very beginning, on the day it was made available on Steam. I have more than 600 hours of game, my town is finished, and I love it. Hell, I wanted to show that on my future Youtube channel. But not anymore. The fun is over.

Oh for those «This is the way it is for many games» I don't care. I had a blinded 100% trust toward James, this game was unique, the experience was unique. Now I have to deal with some obscure Korean company. I'm not okay with this and this is not okay.

[Rodj71]

I feel the same way. I have still not accepted the EULA, and I dunno if I can. Though I will miss my Dinkum a lot. People ask me, why is this the hill I choose to die on? It just is - I can't (yet) reconcile what has happened. It just feels unfair. people can logically explain all the reasoning to me, and I understand it. I am not un-intelligent, I am well-educated. All I can say is, it really just feels like an injustice against us loyal players. My loyalty lies with James, not Krafton. He earned my trust. They have not. That's the bottom line I think.

[Anthracite]

Having read that they're banning us from using silly exploits and certain mods, even though I don't personally use them, has pretty much cemented that I won't open the game again. I don't want to completely remove the game yet because as I said before my island is named after someone I lost, which makes this whole thing so much worse for me, but on principle I'm not having some random corpo waltz in *after* I've already bought a game telling me what I can and can't do. No, ♥♥♥♥ off.

[Govalth]

Publicado originalmente por Anthracite:

Having read that they're banning us from using silly exploits and certain mods, even though I don't personally use them, has pretty much cemented that I won't open the game again. I don't want to completely remove the game yet because as I said before my island is named after someone I lost, which makes this whole thing so much worse for me, but on principle I'm not having some random corpo waltz in *after* I've already bought a game telling me what I can and can't do. No, ♥♥♥♥ off.

What you read is 100% false.

[Anthracite]

Publicado originalmente por Govalth:

Publicado originalmente por Anthracite:

Having read that they're banning us from using silly exploits and certain mods, even though I don't personally use them, has pretty much cemented that I won't open the game again. I don't want to completely remove the game yet because as I said before my island is named after someone I lost, which makes this whole thing so much worse for me, but on principle I'm not having some random corpo waltz in *after* I've already bought a game telling me what I can and can't do. No, ♥♥♥♥ off.

What you read is 100% false.

So what's this?
"2) Scope of Permissible MODs

• Convenience Enhancement MODs: MODs that display item prices, enable automatic item collection, improve crafting convenience, and other features that do not compromise the core mechanics of the game are permitted."
The wording is so vague as to be useless. They can just decide a mod "compromises core mechanics" and then, what? Remove our ability to play the game? Even the fact they're trying to tell users what mods they can use is too far for me, I won't accept that.

And also: "exploit errors and bugs found while playing the Game, the Documentation or using the Services;"
So if we find a bug, then what? We *must* report it or be banned? I'm a beta tester for another game, I'm used to finding and reporting bugs, we often have fun with those bugs in private because they're funny and the devs are happy to see it as long as we report them first. Neither the devs nor me would ever expect random players to not exploit bugs they found upon pain of having their game revoked.