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EDIT. Also you better stop using Steam completely because Steam alone collect your data about your PC and everyone can see those statistics :)
+1
Though I already tried to file for a refund and was denied.
and this:
You played Dinkum for almost 300 hours. Even if you never touch it again, you have gotten way more than your money's worth out of it. There is NO reason to give you any money back.
Sharing my Steam data isn't what bothers me.
What I find outrageous is being forced to do something I don't want to do and the only option I'm given is to trash my game and therefore, the money I paid for it when I bought it.
I firmly believe that this behavior should not be allowed, nor underestimated. It could become common. And it could spread to other parts of our games.
What if the changes affected the theme of the game, or if they decided to remove multiplayer entirely, or forced us to stay online for a 5 bucks little game? You name it. Anything they can think of to add, remove, or change. Lootboxes? Pay to play?
This is a breach of contract. A betrayal of our trust.
It's great not to be paranoid. But it's even better not to be a sucker.
Should we be OK whit eagerly swallow the hook, line and sinker?
You got the opt out from Krafton (and even when they don´t make a message for it, in any other case like this), like you get it from steam, from your credit bank, from your internet provider, from your phone provider, from your landlord. And you always loose your access to the previous contract items, without any refunds (sure, you get your provity from your bank, landlord what ever but nothing more). That´s by law in any constitutional state, or at least in the most.
That´s the world you live in. When you want to fight against this, make another election choose (if you have the choice, when not, than you should fight for it). To bring this fight to a small solo dev and his publisher, he looked for help by the non develop work and be transparent with it, is the wrong end. Sure the announcement of that all could be better handle.
At least with the Tesla example, you could sell it to someone who was OK with the new terms. This is licensed software, you're just SOL if you don't like it.
It's not that he now has a publisher, it's the BIG change after the fact. It'd be one thing if only new players had to accept the new terms, and existing players were still under the original terms they agreed to, but changing it after you've already spent the money potentially creates a situation where the value or usefulness of your purchase is negatively affected. Sadly, a lot of software companies are doing this now, and there's little to no consumer protection.
So, +1 just because the consumer should have a little more option than just to accept it or go away. That's an OK choice up front, but it gets murky after the purchase.
Edit: Also, to see things from the other side, a full refund after potentially hundreds of hours played isn't really fair either. IMO, a fair option would be having some means to freeze the game just prior to the change and still playing it at that state. You have what you paid for up to that point, but you waive further updates under the new terms.
Unfunny fact_ that already happen in parts. There a some countries and car manufactors that offers a monthly pay for extras like seat heating. When you teminate the contract for any reason, you can drive the car further. But the extras aren´t useable anymore (like the sit heating, the connected world make it possible). Even if the sit heating is still in your car. Is it legal? Perhaps and yes this practice is really evil. Do you should fight against that practice? Of course. But not when this case happen, you should fight before you sign this kind of contract.
Is it user friendly that you only get the licence on steam? No. Do you have signed and agreed it before? Perhaps because you haven´t informed before you sign the contract? I guess, yes.
We don´t life in a perfect world. And its good to fight for better laws. But too many here act, like this come out of nowhere. At first, you are responsible for your choice, no one else. If you don´t want something like this, you have the choice to vote with your wallet and leave steam. But that´s too inconvenient.
The problem with new policy terms = new agreement between you and the provider is, that not only you have rights. Also the provider have some. What should he do when he have to change their terms and you disagree? Hold the old contract forever, which could lead them into issues (in monetary or right terms)? The contract termination is fair for both sites. Sure there are situations, that the policy change leads you in massiv disadvantage and for that there should rules by law (and exist in most countries).
But if not and you choose the termination, than it shouldn´t lead into disadvantage for the provider. In this case, you decided to refuse the new legal publisher. Yes tencent holds a minority of Krafton and tencent is a problematic company. But Krafton is a legal company and have to keep in laws. When it doesn´t, than you have the right to get a refund (and yes, its massiv inconvenient to proof this point).
Krafton have surely made many decissions you aren´t agree with, but as far as i can see its disagree in development decission, not in company right behavior. There are also many games, that aren´t problematic in that case you do. f.e.: Subnautica is one of their games and i can´t say anything against the practice with this game. Also the Callisto Protocol. And as far as i know, there also no illegal practice in PUBG (but to be fair, i haven´t played PUBG or do more investigation in it).
https://krafton.com/en/games/
fyi, GOG sells also games with no DRM. So there are an option to choice. But you have the inconvenient that there are less games (but you can find some old games, that nowhere else gets sold).
I understand your point, that you refuse Krafton. But come back to the base and learn how the world works and what you decission in it involve.
You have every right to see the world your way. And I have every right to see the world my way. Right?
Thanks for explaining Steam's policies to me even though I didn't need to, because I already knew them.
Of course I have the option to not participate in Krafton. I already said it in my previous comment. After being forced to click on two different and successive links that my computer alerts as malicious, the option is that if I don't swallow the bait, line and sinker, my game won't open. It won't work. Although, my money stays in James pockets.
Summary: They force me to do something I don't want to do and if I don't do it, they steal my access to my game.
This should have been announced BEFORE people bought the game. Not 2 years AFTER. It's not a bad announcement. Assuming James is the most naive adult in the world, this is malpractice. Otherwise, it would be foul play.
Realize that there are many people who, like me, for different reasons, don't want to jump through this hoop. All these people paid for a product, service, license, call it what you like, that is going to disappear just because. All of these people's money stays in James pockets, too.
In my Lollipop's world, I would call it stealing.
I guess if your landlord kicks you out of his house and tells you that you have to keep paying rent, your response will be, "well, this is the world I live in." And you will keep paying rent, of course.
As for whether my fight is here or there... This isn't a fight. This is calling a spade a spade.
As I didn't swallow it, just out of curiosity, does hook, line and sinker taste good?
No, it was never your game. That´s what you accepted when you use steam and what it mean you get only the licence to play it. And it is, what you could read in the contract between you and steam.
How should JB announced that he looked for a publisher now two years ago? He started to made this game and lead into the issue that the work around the development are to much for him to handle (in workload or in knowledge around publishing). In your construct he should trapped forever in this overload?
You are also want all money back (for wedding, food, water and what ever else) when you want to divorce from your spouse?
To whom it may concern. I assume the hook, line, and sinker tasted bad.
I have no idea why you're so adamant about Steam this, or game licenses that. I've said before that I know the drill. We're getting bogged down in semantics.
Here's what this is:
James took our money FIRST, 2 years ago. Thanks to which, he was able to continue developing the game without starving.
If he's drowning in work, there are a thousand different solutions for that. Including less cumbersome publishers.
Out of all of them, the one he's chosen is to force us suckers who put up our money so he could continue developing the game, to swallow 3 different contracts to give our data to a company that is known for filling everything they can with lootboxes and DLCs. 2 years AFTER.
If we don't swallow, he screws up our license to have a license, or whatever you like to call it, with the result that now the, his, your, her, their, from whoever it is, game is a paperweight.
He already has the money. Now we give up our data and eat the game shaped the way Krafton likes it, or they remolicense our so call license us alive.
This is very ugly. This is wrong. This is not about money, nor data, it is about ethics and common sense.
Whose brain does it fit that you have to sign 2 consents and a third party EULA to play a game like dinkum?
FYI, I have never married, nor will I. And I barely eat or drink so as not to harm the environment. In fact, I barely exist so as not to be a nuisance.
[What you have to read sometimes, oh boy (lol)].