Allowing admin commands for an Animal Crossing type of game like this is ridiculous.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Many people are admin commanding heaps of cash, license currency, unlocking all recipes, and objective completions, essentially just speeding up how fast they can get straight to decorating and terraforming magnificent towns in the shortest time frame then posting pics of their towns as if it was genuine. Yes, it still takes plenty of time to make a sweet town, but it takes MUCH more time to do it organically and you essentially lose all credibility in my book.

This is unfortunate, because some people really worked hard on their town design and want to show off their builds they worked for and feel like they are worthy, but now we don't know who is legit or who cheated, especially if the game is coming to consoles. Animal Crossing would never pull such a move as it would kill their brand. Skepticism will devalue sharing any accomplishments as long as admin commands exist. Plenty of games out there that let you buff your experience like Kenshi. Why are we cheating a farming town life sim to flex on others? So lame.

[Edmund Greyfox]

Първоначално публикувано от 100% Recycled Awesome:

Първоначално публикувано от Edmund Greyfox:

I got your point, but to me what you're talking about is just basic dishonesty. Someone that unlocks everything with console commands and builds a cool looking village but then tries to pass it off as something they earned through regular game play is still showing a streak of basic dishonesty.

Basic? That's super dishonest. People get sued over digital content misrepresentation.

It may be a matter of degree, but it's still no different from being a plagiarist, tax cheat, or any other fraudster. You can dress it up all you like or say it doesn't matter because it's just a game, but it still shows an underlying willingness to cheat to benefit yourself. It also diminishes anything you accomplish because you had to cheat to get there, whether anyone but you knows it or not.

Meh, that's true, but in a single player game where you keep your content to yourself, I don't have issues with people playing how they want to play. At the end of the day, if you're doing it for your own enjoyment, it's hard for me to care what you do or how you do it in the game. Live your life man, just don't be dishonest to others about it. Sure, it devalues their accomplishments, but if they don't care, it's their prerogative. Again, if someone wants to use dev commands to their heart's content in their own game and don't go dishonestly hawking their creations as if they were genuine, more power to them. My issue has always been digital content creation fraud and misrepresentation when it comes to non-personal use.

I straddle the line between you and the rest of the people here. They don't seem understand or care about digital content creation fraud and misrepresentation and I'm with you on that 100%, but when it comes to playing the game on their own terms without pushing their content into the rest of the world, I gotta side with them on that.

I know I'm hardcore on this subject and that not everyone will agree with me. I've just found that people who are willing to cheat on little things eventually end up cheating on big things, and can always come up with some justification for why their cheating is "different".

Personally, i don't care if others want to use commands in a SP game that nobody else is going to see, but they shouldn't pretend (even to themselves) that they didn't cheat to get their results. And they definitely shouldn't try and pass it off to other people as something they accomplished legitimately.

[Piperbird]

Първоначално публикувано от 100% Recycled Awesome:

Първоначално публикувано от Piperbird:

Sweet bibbly. I come back to 42 replies and all of them are you complaining about reading comprehension and making an absolute fool of yourself. Really, just give up. Stop caring what other people do in their own game.

Then your reading comprehension is just as bad as their's. I've made it perfectly clear I don't care if someone uses dev commands, I literally made a joke about this by mentioning FOR THE BILLIONTH time. I find it dishonest if they don't disclose they used dev commands if they are pushing their content beyond personal use.

Ya'll are just proving my point I made to Ed about being....just dumb people.

Dude, everyone understands what you're saying. You clearly aren't understanding us.

WHY WOULD YOU CARE IF THEY DON'T DISCLOSE IT? Literally. Why? It doesn't affect you. Who cares if they make an amazing town and don't tell that they used codes? It isn't a competition. It's not important and you're making the craziest deal out of it.

Personally, I wouldn't use codes for this game. It's fun for me to collect and do it on my own.

In Sims, I like building houses and sharing them on the gallery. So I use unlimited money, I unlock all objects, use moving cheats. No one ever says "Hey! Did you earn that money and unlock that stuff?! No. They just download the house.

But if someone in Dinkum has an image in their head for an amazing town, why should anyone care if they just unlocked stuff? Is it any different than visiting other people and collecting things from them? Or do you get mad if people share items instead of unlocking them self?

Everyone understands what you're saying, we just don't get why you care.

[100% Recycled Awesome]

Първоначално публикувано от Piperbird:

Dude, everyone understands what you're saying. You clearly aren't understanding us.

This is literally not the case. Azcard didn't understand anything, especially after his post about youtube people disclosing they're using dev commands to do crazy things. You have extremely bad comprehension.

WHY WOULD YOU CARE IF THEY DON'T DISCLOSE IT?

lol. Imagine protesting the accusation of bad comprehension and then proving it.

Literally. Why? It doesn't affect you. Who cares if they make an amazing town and don't tell that they used codes? It isn't a competition. It's not important and you're making the craziest deal out of it.

Imagine claiming you read what I wrote and then writing THAT. Again, for the BILLIONTH time, I've said I don't care if they use on it their own. Just don't misrepresent to everyone else.

Are you okay with other digital content creators misrepresenting their creations? I don't think you're going to answer that.

Everyone understands what you're saying, we just don't get why you care.

You clearly either didn't read the thread or your comprehension is so poor you didn't understand.

Ed, these people just keep proving my comment about being dumb.

[Annethema]

Първоначално публикувано от 100% Recycled Awesome:

Първоначално публикувано от Piperbird:

Dude, everyone understands what you're saying. You clearly aren't understanding us.

This is literally not the case. Azcard didn't understand anything, especially after his post about youtube people disclosing they're using dev commands to do crazy things. You have extremely bad comprehension.

WHY WOULD YOU CARE IF THEY DON'T DISCLOSE IT?

lol. Imagine protesting the accusation of bad comprehension and then proving it.

Literally. Why? It doesn't affect you. Who cares if they make an amazing town and don't tell that they used codes? It isn't a competition. It's not important and you're making the craziest deal out of it.

Imagine claiming you read what I wrote and then writing THAT. Again, for the BILLIONTH time, I've said I don't care if they use on it their own. Just don't misrepresent to everyone else.

Are you okay with other digital content creators misrepresenting their creations? I don't think you're going to answer that.

Everyone understands what you're saying, we just don't get why you care.

You clearly either didn't read the thread or your comprehension is so poor you didn't understand.

Ed, these people just keep proving my comment about being dumb.

I'm guessing you also think shooting your mate in a fictional gaming world with 0 consequence is the same morally as shooting someone irl. Most of us can tell the difference from fiction and reality and don't care.

[Yueha]

TLDR:
It looks like you're salty against the content creators that may or may not misrepresent whatever their contents/creations. That's something you should take up with the creators themselves and not the issue with the game and others that don't do that.
And if they admit they use commands to achieve their creations, that's not misrepresentation, because you know exactly it's not achieved through normal play.


Note: This only applies for single player/ offline co-op game
For example; coming from I who use nexus mods (autopickup/ craft from storage/ museum tooltip) in my game and that's it. That means I have a much easier and fun gameplay compared to someone who doesn't, and I may have a faster progress than people playing the vanilla version. I can easily post screenshot and show off OMGLOOKITHOW AMAZING so-so. Are you going to get trigger because someone isn't playing and sticking to the vanilla game the way YOU PLAY and how YOU want it? Are you going to request game to remove modding supports because YOU don't like it? This is exactly how you sounds.
That's some condescending attitude and you should take a chill pill.

There's absolutely no way why and how you should dictate how someone should play. Just because you get angry and salty at the content creators and people that upload to flex, because you, yourself feels it's unfair in a single player game. If you have an issue, take it up to them. Not all players are content creator/streamers/posters. You choose to only select them and then not taking into account of the other side, and this a SINGLE PLAYER GAME.

My perspective ;I don't post any screenshot/forums/content creator/ect. Just someone who plays for my own enjoyment, also don't do co-op.
I usually have two play through with SP games, first vanilla and utilities mods if available, second with mods and admin mode --essentially creative mode. I don't post any screenshots/videos/ect. and that's my own enjoyment and you would never know it unless I tell you. Then here comes you, wanting to remove admin commands because a certain group of people upset and trigger you as they don't play how you play and is unfair by showing off. Is that fair? Why should I let you dictate how I play the game for my own enjoyment? Why do you care if people are flexing in this game or not?
You can never stop modders/flexers/cheaters/ect. and there will always be away to break/mode/hack the game, heck, even for multi players games.

Did you know, AC has a lot dedicated discords that is essentially "cheating" as people can request any tradeable items and villagers? Nintendo doesn't allow admin AC mode, but that doesn't stop people. Do you go to those discord and repeatedly spam them to stop? I doubt it.

Some people can, will, and do anything for monetary gains. That's the people issue, not the game issue.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Първоначално публикувано от Biggles:

OP, you play your game and everyone else will play theirs. Your opinion means squat to anyone but yourself.

Bro, your opinion has equal value to my opinion but you're also talking?

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Първоначално публикувано от Rhyono:

If it was a single player game without online play, I'd say it doesn't matter at all. However, I can see how it ruins it for someone else when someone spawns in a bunch of things and drops it off in your game or brings in their giant stacks of bridges and puts 100 bridges in your game.

Nobody really cares what people do in their SP games. Problem is, they mod the achievements back and lie when asked. Falsify posts in communities. Keeping it to themselves just isn't the reality. The co-op is already lacking for being pushed as a co-op game... then you're telling me Ill never know whats real because anyone is "devCommandsOn" and "cheatsOn" from spawning anything into the game? Ill never see a finished museum and think they did it honestly for example.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Първоначално публикувано от MrDropps:

oh no guys there is still admin commands in a game that is still being developed and tested. You act like this is a finished product with online competition for money. People cheated in Animal Crossing also so i guess that game is totally devalued also. Not to mention essentially ever AAA title that comes out. Guess its back to Windows solitaire... oh wait.

Oh my gosh, its almost like we should talk about the things we don't like about the game while its a work in progress so by the time it hits its release they are no longer problems OMG...

Yeah, no, Animal Crossing isn't "devCommandsOn" and "cheatsOn" away from spawning anything you like. Anyone with an action replay had to go out and buy it. The cheats were limited. Friends told you about it, and you'd likely cheat a bunch of games for fun. We didnt hit the shared console/pc communities back then on the internet and cry "Dont worry about what Im doing in my game!" while modding achievements back and faking accomplishments.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Първоначално публикувано от Yueha:

TLDR:
It looks like you're salty against the content creators that may or may not misrepresent whatever their contents/creations. That's something you should take up with the creators themselves and not the issue with the game and others that don't do that.
And if they admit they use commands to achieve their creations, that's not misrepresentation, because you know exactly it's not achieved through normal play.


Note: This only applies for single player/ offline co-op game
For example; coming from I who use nexus mods (autopickup/ craft from storage/ museum tooltip) in my game and that's it. That means I have a much easier and fun gameplay compared to someone who doesn't, and I may have a faster progress than people playing the vanilla version. I can easily post screenshot and show off OMGLOOKITHOW AMAZING so-so. Are you going to get trigger because someone isn't playing and sticking to the vanilla game the way YOU PLAY and how YOU want it? Are you going to request game to remove modding supports because YOU don't like it? This is exactly how you sounds.
That's some condescending attitude and you should take a chill pill.

There's absolutely no way why and how you should dictate how someone should play. Just because you get angry and salty at the content creators and people that upload to flex, because you, yourself feels it's unfair in a single player game. If you have an issue, take it up to them. Not all players are content creator/streamers/posters. You choose to only select them and then not taking into account of the other side, and this a SINGLE PLAYER GAME.

My perspective ;I don't post any screenshot/forums/content creator/ect. Just someone who plays for my own enjoyment, also don't do co-op.
I usually have two play through with SP games, first vanilla and utilities mods if available, second with mods and admin mode --essentially creative mode. I don't post any screenshots/videos/ect. and that's my own enjoyment and you would never know it unless I tell you. Then here comes you, wanting to remove admin commands because a certain group of people upset and trigger you as they don't play how you play and is unfair by showing off. Is that fair? Why should I let you dictate how I play the game for my own enjoyment? Why do you care if people are flexing in this game or not?
You can never stop modders/flexers/cheaters/ect. and there will always be away to break/mode/hack the game, heck, even for multi players games.

Did you know, AC has a lot dedicated discords that is essentially "cheating" as people can request any tradeable items and villagers? Nintendo doesn't allow admin AC mode, but that doesn't stop people. Do you go to those discord and repeatedly spam them to stop? I doubt it.

Some people can, will, and do anything for monetary gains. That's the people issue, not the game issue.

Its lame how many people cheat then lie about it online. At least people have to communicate and trade for items in AC instead of just a couple console commands then boom, you have everything. Like other people problems, we regulate the situation and some people have a ruined experience for others actions. Id love if that were the case. I get very minimal joy from breaking a games reward mechanisms for a short dopamine high.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Първоначално публикувано от Probot:

Първоначално публикувано от 100% Recycled Awesome:

*I don't even think you bothered to read what I said at all.*

I don't care if you use Dev commands. But I think it's highly DISHONEST to go about showing off your work pretending you didn't. It's like using a invincibility cheat code and then claiming you're so good that you did the whole game without taking damage because you're so good at dodging and blocking attacks as opposed to players who actually are that good that they didn't need a cheat code to do that.

It also creates a bad perception for other players that they can easily create grand works with lots of money, when in reality they just use a code to do most if not virtually all of the work.

Again, because you go all illiterate on me and ignore my message, this just boils down to honesty. If you want to use a dev command, by all means, go for it. Just be honest about if you're going to flaunt your stuff like people are here, on discord, and on Reddit. If you're going to keep your map to yourself, again, I have zero problems with someone using dev commands.

This is kind of like photographers who fake everything in their work in photoshop and then go about claiming it's all real. No mama, you didn't get a completely empty shot of the Taj Mahal in the midmorning during the tourist heavy season or a shot of the brooklyn bridge pedestrian walkway with a gorgeous sunset with no one on it. That's a huge amount of digital manipulation. Really, it's just being honest about your work.

So if you're going to criticize me for that, I have real questions about your moral character if you're fundamentally against honesty.

It is a sandbox game, you set your own goals so the only person you are cheating is yourself. Why do you think you are entitled to govern what others do in a sandbox? And if you govern 'moral character' by what someone does in a fictional world with only your own rules, somethings wrong.

Първоначално публикувано от Piperbird:

Just like in AC, don't worry about it. Don't compare your town to other towns. Just do your thing and enjoy the game, and let other people enjoy the game the way they want to.

Who cares if people cheat? Who cares if nothing has value because you can just cheat it in? Just have fun bro *hits doobie* ... We are social creatures. Its a Co-op pushed game. It ruins my experience knowing its happening and seeing it lied about. It not affecting you doesn't mean it isn't affecting others.

That's like a billionaire telling a minimum wage worker you got it good man while they are kicking back in their mansion they were born into while the system is broken and money isn't even real. There is no standard right now. There should be. Simple stuff.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Първоначално публикувано от Insignia:

We care why? Stop worrying about other peoples games that affect you in no way what so ever.

Classic. Nobody gives a rats cracker about what you do in you SP games if it is kept to yourself. That is not the reality we live in though. Liars and false accomplishments all over all the communities. No accountability. You can apply the same sentiment to your comment? Why not mind your business and not comment bro? I'm not even affecting you. Oh wait? I clearly did. So seeing cheaters be dishonest can clearly affect others then, no? Of course it can.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Първоначално публикувано от Piperbird:

Първоначално публикувано от HashSmokinBasher:

Animal Crossing would never pull such a move as it would kill their brand.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. You can literally go online and buy bells and any items you want. There are people you can pay to come teraform and decorate your island for you. There are even tons of mods you can use to do all kinds of stuff to your island.

You can not console command your game in a few seconds and unlock everything. Anyone who is legitimately cheating ACNH is risking a ban and rightfully so. It is not the same.

[CourtJesterCowboy]

Първоначално публикувано от 100% Recycled Awesome:

Meh. If people want to use dev commands to get their town how they want, sure. Whatever.

But I do think it is deceptive for people who do use dev commands to then act like they didn't and that they got their town and wealth the normal way while showing off. That's not okay. Some of us actually spent a ridiculous amount of time cutting down trees, to create planks, to turn into paths and then pathed it all manually. If you don't want to do that, that's totally fine, just own that you used dev commands. I guess it just boils down to being honest/

Yup, I don't really care what people do in their own privacy. Most don't keep it to themselves though and Id bet at least 90% of cheaters lie about it when flexing accomplishments they didn't work for. There is a reason you can catch bans on consoles, even from modding single player games. Probably one of the only positives consoles have over PC. Isn't a cheater wasteland.

[Nate]

Първоначално публикувано от HashSmokinBasher:

Първоначално публикувано от 100% Recycled Awesome:

Meh. If people want to use dev commands to get their town how they want, sure. Whatever.

But I do think it is deceptive for people who do use dev commands to then act like they didn't and that they got their town and wealth the normal way while showing off. That's not okay. Some of us actually spent a ridiculous amount of time cutting down trees, to create planks, to turn into paths and then pathed it all manually. If you don't want to do that, that's totally fine, just own that you used dev commands. I guess it just boils down to being honest/

Yup, I don't really care what people do in their own privacy. Most don't keep it to themselves though and Id bet at least 90% of cheaters lie about it when flexing accomplishments they didn't work for. There is a reason you can catch bans on consoles, even from modding single player games. Probably one of the only positives consoles have over PC. Isn't a cheater wasteland.

for someone who doesn't care about what others do, you sure do whine about it

[M34T_H34D]

Първоначално публикувано от Nate:

for someone who doesn't care about what others do, you sure do whine about it

Read through this whole post and this is exactly what I thought!