Does the AI still suck?

[brotherofbuff]

I read this game isnt very good cause the AI is too easy. Did they improve it or its just staying that way?

[Ogami]

The AI is fine, the game is just too easy in general. They massively tweaked the stats and the combat system in favor of the player compared to the original games.
The AI is not worse but their units are much weaker so its a lot easier.

Nothing much you can do about it. Also the game did not receive ANY patch since its release month. Got one hotfix then and that was it.

Its still a fun game but just not very challenging.

[ingosupercute]

If you are like me and go in with zero knowledge making your rookie mistakes, then the first playthrough is somewhat challenging because your characters just don't have the levels and stats yet, so the final missions are kind of rough.

After that the game becomes super easy even on challenge mode when you carry over your equipment and levels. I'm on the fourth playthrough atm, challenge level 2 and I barely pick up any mercenaries anymore because they are too weak to hurt the enemy and just get in the way, while the commanders all are level 3X and super overpowered.

[brotherofbuff]

Thanks im on the fence about buying this one or just play the old Sega Version. Graphics dont matter too much to me but i do enjoy improvements. I finally got into these games after playing Symphony of War and now playing games like the original Fire Emblem.

But it looks like there are still segment of fans having a good time on this even with it being easy.

[Ogami]

My favorite version of those 2 games are the remasters for the Sega Saturn from 2001.
Which had a bunch of new stuff like extra scenarios and anime cutscenes but did not dial back the difficulty as much.
Sadly those games never got a translation, not even from fans.

For Langrisser 2 aka "Der Langrisser" there is a fantranslation of the SNES version which is very good but lacks some of the extra story paths this remake has.

There is also a English fantranslation for the PSOne port of Langrisser IV which is very good.

In the end this version is fine, its not perfect by any means but if you just want to play through it once and try out all the different story paths and endings it can keep you busy easily for like 60-70 hours.

The challenge may not be very steep but its also not super casual. A experienced SRPG player wont have any problem clearing these games but its still very fun in the end.

I thought Symphony of War was very easy but i still had fun playing through it.
Not everything needs to be super challenging to be enjoyable.

[brotherofbuff]

Originally posted by Ogami:

My favorite version of those 2 games are the remasters for the Sega Saturn from 2001.
Which had a bunch of new stuff like extra scenarios and anime cutscenes but did not dial back the difficulty as much.
Sadly those games never got a translation, not even from fans.

For Langrisser 2 aka "Der Langrisser" there is a fantranslation of the SNES version which is very good but lacks some of the extra story paths this remake has.

There is also a English fantranslation for the PSOne port of Langrisser IV which is very good.

In the end this version is fine, its not perfect by any means but if you just want to play through it once and try out all the different story paths and endings it can keep you busy easily for like 60-70 hours.

The challenge may not be very steep but its also not super casual. A experienced SRPG player wont have any problem clearing these games but its still very fun in the end.

I thought Symphony of War was very easy but i still had fun playing through it.
Not everything needs to be super challenging to be enjoyable.

Thanks for the advice. I may get it then since im not that hardcore into wanting it super brutal. BTW i did try to Der Langrisser but couldnt figure out how to translate it. Any advice on that.

And was Langrisser 3 ever translated?

[brotherofbuff]

And your right. I only played about 20 hours of Symphony of War and its super easy but addicting. I have plenty of hard core turn based war sims I play regularly if you check my game collection. For me with fantasy I just need some generic war story with fun combat to keep me entertained.

[ingosupercute]

Originally posted by brotherofbuff:

Originally posted by Ogami:

In the end this version is fine, its not perfect by any means but if you just want to play through it once and try out all the different story paths and endings it can keep you busy easily for like 60-70 hours.

Thanks for the advice. I may get it then since im not that hardcore into wanting it super brutal. ?

Instead of doing what Ogami suggested and revert back to different story paths in the same playthrough, you can go through challenge mode and it gets harder every time. I'm in the 3rd lap right now and the final two chapters of CM lap2 had a significant increase to the HP and stats of enemy troups. It was not really super hard, but felt like giving increasing resistance to your stat growth as you level.

Furthermore, leveling also slows down extremely due to most missions barely giving any XP to end 30 level characters. One would have to stay and revert a chapter 19 mission many times to actually advance even higher. I think my Ledin only gained one level throughout the entire 2nd lap of CM.

[brotherofbuff]

thank for the heads up

[Ogami]

Originally posted by ingosupercute:

Instead of doing what Ogami suggested and revert back to different story paths in the same playthrough, you can go through challenge mode and it gets harder every time.

The problem with that is you have to play through the first 10 stages or so before the story diverges again and again and again.
That gets old FAST.
And will like triple the overall playtime since there are 8 story paths/endings in Langrisser 1 and 13 or so in Langrisser 2.

Just did not have the motivation for that. With jumping back in the timeline chapter menu to story split chapters it still took more then 60 hours to finish all paths.
I dont want to know how long it will take if you play a complete cycle for every story path.

Originally posted by brotherofbuff:

And was Langrisser 3 ever translated?

Sadly no. There was a Korean translation for PC Windows of all places in like 2002.
But thats about it.
Langrisser III is a strange beast anyway. Its very different from the rest of the series.
Not only is a prequel set thousands of years before Langrisser 1 and actually tells of the creation of the 2 divine swords, Langrisser and Alhazard which play a major part in the later games, it also uses a complete different battle system. You only move your commanders and your troops are part of your commander sprite but can assume different formations on the map and only if you touch an enemy formation at the end of a turn will they fight.
Also everyone, your side and the AI moves all their commanders simultaneously and then battle plays out.
Its weird but not bad. Played through it a few times on Sega Saturn and later on the Playstation 2 Sega Ages Collection.

Langrisser 3 also has no divergent paths ( well , the last 2 missions) but its the longest campaign of the series otherwise with nearly 40 chapters in a row.

Also has some of my favorite character designs of the series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klgwALGzXcw


And a sample stage how the combat worked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXu9NlO5X9Q

This is with combat animations turned off because those were just a complete mess in 3D and looked terrible. And took way too long.

[brotherofbuff]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by ingosupercute:

Instead of doing what Ogami suggested and revert back to different story paths in the same playthrough, you can go through challenge mode and it gets harder every time.

The problem with that is you have to play through the first 10 stages or so before the story diverges again and again and again.
That gets old FAST.
And will like triple the overall playtime since there are 8 story paths/endings in Langrisser 1 and 13 or so in Langrisser 2.

Just did not have the motivation for that. With jumping back in the timeline chapter menu to story split chapters it still took more then 60 hours to finish all paths.
I dont want to know how long it will take if you play a complete cycle for every story path.

Originally posted by brotherofbuff:

And was Langrisser 3 ever translated?

Sadly no. There was a Korean translation for PC Windows of all places in like 2002.
But thats about it.
Langrisser III is a strange beast anyway. Its very different from the rest of the series.
Not only is a prequel set thousands of years before Langrisser 1 and actually tells of the creation of the 2 divine swords, Langrisser and Alhazard which play a major part in the later games, it also uses a complete different battle system. You only move your commanders and your troops are part of your commander sprite but can assume different formations on the map and only if you touch an enemy formation at the end of a turn will they fight.
Also everyone, your side and the AI moves all their commanders simultaneously and then battle plays out.
Its weird but not bad. Played through it a few times on Sega Saturn and later on the Playstation 2 Sega Ages Collection.

Langrisser 3 also has no divergent paths ( well , the last 2 missions) but its the longest campaign of the series otherwise with nearly 40 chapters in a row.

Also has some of my favorite character designs of the series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klgwALGzXcw


And a sample stage how the combat worked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXu9NlO5X9Q

This is with combat animations turned off because those were just a complete mess in 3D and looked terrible. And took way too long.

Good to know that its not worth getting for story line reasons.

[brotherofbuff]

I tried the first 2 levels of this and Warsong. So far I feel Warsong is superior in every way. Battles are longer and more in depth. Much more difficult too. I died first time playing level 2 on Warsong and i try to make my conditions harder on remastered but it was still a breeze. When they refer to classic graphics I thought it was gonna look like the SNES era graphics. It seems like just the cartoon images and the maps slightly lower quality.

Not sure if I should refund this or just support the cause of hoping there is gonna be more editions or enhancing of 3-5.

[Ogami]

Up to you of course. As for future Langrisser remakes, that is very unlikely.
This really was just a low effort port of the Nintendo Switch version and that one did not sell that well, neither in Japan nor the translated version.
I am pretty sure this will be the last we will see of Langrisser remakes in the foreseeable future.

In the end i think this remake version is worth to play, not at least for all the different story paths and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ events the original games had not.
Also i honestly like the presentation and the new designs quiet a bit.

But if you just wnt to play the original games there are quiet a few options there too:

Langrisser/Warsong has the official translation you already tried.
Langrisser 2 for Mega Drive never got a western release and is widely regarded as the hardest game in the series. Has a fantranslation though.
"Der Langrisser" which is a extended port of Langrisser 2 for the SNES adds a TON of new content like different story paths and endings. It basically has replaced the original Langrisser 2 as the default and all future remasters/remakes are based on that version.

There is a fantranslation for the SNES version and untranslated ports ( with some extra stuff) for the Sega Saturn and PsOne.

Langrisser III i already talked about.

Langrisser IV was originally released for the Sega Saturn but got a PsOne port later.
That PsOne version has a complete English fantranslation.

Langrisser V is actually for the first time a direct sequel and begins right after Langrisser IV. Again for Sega Saturn and PsOne.
Also keeps the same engine and battle system in all regards.
Sadly no translation exists, neither official nor fanmade. Just a English interface patch that translates the UI and menus at least for the PsOne version.

Then there is "Langrisser Millenium" for the Dreamcast but that is a Langrisser in name only. Weird ass real time combat system, different studio, new character designer, new setting and so on.


There is also a very popular Langrisser mobile game that is actually pretty fun where you can collect characters from all the games and have old style turn based battles.
Not unsimilar to Fire Emblem Heroes for mobiles.

[brotherofbuff]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Up to you of course. As for future Langrisser remakes, that is very unlikely.
This really was just a low effort port of the Nintendo Switch version and that one did not sell that well, neither in Japan nor the translated version.
I am pretty sure this will be the last we will see of Langrisser remakes in the foreseeable future.

In the end i think this remake version is worth to play, not at least for all the different story paths and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ events the original games had not.
Also i honestly like the presentation and the new designs quiet a bit.

But if you just wnt to play the original games there are quiet a few options there too:

Langrisser/Warsong has the official translation you already tried.
Langrisser 2 for Mega Drive never got a western release and is widely regarded as the hardest game in the series. Has a fantranslation though.
"Der Langrisser" which is a extended port of Langrisser 2 for the SNES adds a TON of new content like different story paths and endings. It basically has replaced the original Langrisser 2 as the default and all future remasters/remakes are based on that version.

There is a fantranslation for the SNES version and untranslated ports ( with some extra stuff) for the Sega Saturn and PsOne.

Langrisser III i already talked about.

Langrisser IV was originally released for the Sega Saturn but got a PsOne port later.
That PsOne version has a complete English fantranslation.

Langrisser V is actually for the first time a direct sequel and begins right after Langrisser IV. Again for Sega Saturn and PsOne.
Also keeps the same engine and battle system in all regards.
Sadly no translation exists, neither official nor fanmade. Just a English interface patch that translates the UI and menus at least for the PsOne version.

Then there is "Langrisser Millenium" for the Dreamcast but that is a Langrisser in name only. Weird ass real time combat system, different studio, new character designer, new setting and so on.


There is also a very popular Langrisser mobile game that is actually pretty fun where you can collect characters from all the games and have old style turn based battles.
Not unsimilar to Fire Emblem Heroes for mobiles.

I highly appreciate your input. I'll keep it in mind If i decide to refund it. I think for now im pretty over saturated. Shinning Force series and Fire Emblem I want to tackle. Also I need to finish up Symphony of War and Wargroove. I may pick this game further down the road since this game sold poorly anyways and more likely wont continue with other remasters.

[ingosupercute]

Originally posted by Ogami:

In the end i think this remake version is worth to play, not at least for all the different story paths and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ events the original games had not.
Also i honestly like the presentation and the new designs quiet a bit.

I also think it is worth. I never played the original and I totally loved this version here. It's a really good game and except for two crashes in almost 80 hours (both in LII), I never had any issues with it.

[Konomi☆Nanasaki]

I know I would've disliked it due to the low difficulty (which was also the reason I initially deceided against buying), but the steam deck made me appreciate easy games aswell.

I'm sure I wouldn't enjoy it if I played it on PC as I can't turn off my internal hardcore mode there, but if one's able to also enjoy relaxing and easy games it's definitely worth it.