...what does scroll speed do?

[Jesse]

I swear I've tried messing with it so much but I still don't understand what exactly it's doing. The music hasn't changed at all...it's the same notes...so how is it moving slower...?

[BikerPilot]

I'd also be interested. I played around with it and can't see the difference.

[qmaniac]

If you decrease scroll speed, then the music won't change, but the speed of note will be decreased.

Low scroll speed:
Pros: Easy to see the next note
Cons: harder to get right time to press note, since it moves too slow.

High scroll speed:
Pros: exact timing
Cons: Hard to see the next note.

(Actually this is quite common function for music games)

[BikerPilot]

Thanks. Can you elaborate? I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around it. I noticed this morning that one thing did change when I dropped it to 60%, is the note icons got bigger , but best I can tell, their start/stop positions haven't changed (but I play by music rhythm anyway, and only use the notes as an indicator of which note to play)
Googling around scroll speed for rhythm games, I'm seeing lots of discussion what the "best" might be with little explanation of what it looks like on screen.
EDIT: Found and watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odA3HEF3tV8

[BikerPilot]

I think I"m starting to understand. It compresses how much of the music it visually
shows on screen at once! So it scrolls slower, but because more is crammed onto the screen, notes close together are harder to tell apart....but it's easier to see what's coming up ahead.

[Jesse]

Originally posted by BikerPilot:

Thanks. Can you elaborate? I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around it. I noticed this morning that one thing did change when I dropped it to 60%, is the note icons got bigger , but best I can tell, their start/stop positions haven't changed (but I play by music rhythm anyway, and only use the notes as an indicator of which note to play)
Googling around scroll speed for rhythm games, I'm seeing lots of discussion what the "best" might be with little explanation of what it looks like on screen.
EDIT: Found and watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odA3HEF3tV8

i watched that whole video and it never explains what scroll speed is lol. I do not understand how I am playing the same amount of notes but one is slower and one is faster....how is that possible. My brain can not process what's happening

[BikerPilot]

Imagine reading text on a website. If you shrink the font (fit more text the page) and you scroll, it looks like the text is scrolling slower. The text still arrives at the bottom of the screen at the same speed , but you have more time to process all the big globs of text.
Same here. Instead of showing you about 1 second of upcoming notes...if you decrease the scroll speed, you're compressing the notes (each note looks shorter) so you see 2 seconds worth of upcoming notes ,so you have more time to process. The notes are still arriving at your timing line at the same speed, but you're seeing more notes at once (if you know how to read music, could say you're seeing more bars of music at once), so it looks like it's scrolling slower (because your brain has more time to process what's coming up) .
The down side of a slower speed, is the length of each note (And the length between each note) is shortened , so visually it's harder to hit the keys on the timing line. But if you're playing by ear anyway it makes no difference.

[Jesse]

ok...that makes sense, thanks. It's just...it feels so much harder on 100% haha. My brain hurts :)

[torttuP]

Typically you want to have it as fast as possible while still being able to react in time. I'd like to actually make it faster than 100%.

[Duckie]

How do you change the scroll speed in this game?

[Mr. Holy Wow]

Sorry, lots of people have brought this up as a potentially confusing thing.

To make a long story short, scroll speed basically affects the SPACING of the notes, rather than the actual tempo of the track.

To use DDR as an example, here's a track which has an EXTREMELY low "scroll speed." Notice that the tempo isn't actually that slow. The notes are just close together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Ydmnhhtyw

And here's the exact same song, same tempo, same notes, with higher scroll speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcC1OGqsLYQ

[Duckie]

Oh you change it on a song by song basis

[Jesse]

Originally posted by Mr. Holy Wow:

Sorry, lots of people have brought this up as a potentially confusing thing.

To make a long story short, scroll speed basically affects the SPACING of the notes, rather than the actual tempo of the track.

To use DDR as an example, here's a track which has an EXTREMELY low "scroll speed." Notice that the tempo isn't actually that slow. The notes are just close together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Ydmnhhtyw

And here's the exact same song, same tempo, same notes, with higher scroll speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcC1OGqsLYQ

wow amazing example, thanks. It's wild to think those are the same. I definitely am a slower version/bigger picture person, it's WAY harder for me to follow the fast scroll speed

[implyDoods]

Originally posted by BikerPilot:

I think I"m starting to understand. It compresses how much of the music it visually
shows on screen at once! So it scrolls slower, but because more is crammed onto the screen, notes close together are harder to tell apart....but it's easier to see what's coming up ahead.

yeah so like FOV in fps games