Ori and the Will of the Wisps

Ori and the Will of the Wisps

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sandy claws 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 2:25
metroidvania?
is this game really a metroidvania?

i'm noticing a lot of reviews (up and down) claiming to beat this game on first play-through in under 10 hours.
even on sale this game has a comparatively high price-tag, so i'm a bit worried how short/linear this game might be.
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TrueEvil 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 3:18 
Length depends on a number of factors. Skill level, chosen difficulty, affinity for exploration, etc. My second playthrough was 100% exploration on Hard difficulty, and lasted about 12-13 hours. I don't play many metroidvanias or similar genres, so I couldn't tell you if it's short/long/average for this type of game.

That said, while it's not the longest game, this game certainly doesn't feel too short in my opinion, and it's by far one of my most treasured, memorable gaming experiences to date. I would say that it is certainly worth the sale price of $10.

If you're concerned about linearity, don't be. About half of the game is entirely non-linear.
最后由 TrueEvil 编辑于; 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 3:18
Melodia 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 4:02 
Under $10 (or your local equivilant) is high?

Really?
sandy claws 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 5:52 
引用自 Melodia
Under $10 (or your local equivilant) is high?

Really?
the key word was "comparatively". i could pick up blasphemous right now for about half the price of this.

if i'm only getting ~ 10 hours out of this though, then ya, $10 is kinda steep. $1/hour is kind of bottom of the barrel content expectancy. especially in a "metroidvania".

my question has basically been answered from the first respondee.
if the game is ~10 hours long and only half of it is even metroidvania-esque. i would have not have been as happy with the purchase as you seem to be.
TrueEvil 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 6:13 
引用自 sandy claws
if i'm only getting ~ 10 hours out of this though, then ya, $10 is kinda steep. $1/hour is kind of bottom of the barrel content expectancy. especially in a "metroidvania".
I don't necessarily like the dollar per hour metric when it comes to gaming. I have many, many more hours in games like CS:GO, Dark Souls 3, Doom Eternal (Bethesda.net), and Risk of Rain 2, but I would consider the money spent on Ori and the Will of the Wisps better spent. Even when I initially set the game down after getting all achievements back at hour 35, I still would have placed more value on my experience with this game, than I would for just about any other.

That said, I certainly understand where you're coming from. Deciding on a game to buy isn't always the easiest, especially if money is a factor that really matters to you. And what I have to say about this game could be said about Blasphemous for others. So I won't pressure you any further, other than to encourage you to look past the hour per dollar metric for just a moment.
sandy claws 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 7:04 
引用自 TrueEvil
I don't necessarily like the dollar per hour metric when it comes to gaming. I have many, many more hours in games like CS:GO, Dark Souls 3, Doom Eternal (Bethesda.net), and Risk of Rain 2, but I would consider the money spent on Ori and the Will of the Wisps better spent. Even when I initially set the game down after getting all achievements back at hour 35, I still would have placed more value on my experience with this game, than I would for just about any other.

That said, I certainly understand where you're coming from. Deciding on a game to buy isn't always the easiest, especially if money is a factor that really matters to you. And what I have to say about this game could be said about Blasphemous for others. So I won't pressure you any further, other than to encourage you to look past the hour per dollar metric for just a moment.
you've been nice enough to respond, and have been helpful to boot, so i feel i owe the same courtesy.

this may be a great game, it has tons of good reviews, so i'm really not doubting that. glancing at it though, it seems to really fall short on the metroidvania aspect. which is really all i was curious about for now.
最后由 sandy claws 编辑于; 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 7:05
TrueEvil 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 8:13 
引用自 sandy claws
引用自 TrueEvil
I don't necessarily like the dollar per hour metric when it comes to gaming. I have many, many more hours in games like CS:GO, Dark Souls 3, Doom Eternal (Bethesda.net), and Risk of Rain 2, but I would consider the money spent on Ori and the Will of the Wisps better spent. Even when I initially set the game down after getting all achievements back at hour 35, I still would have placed more value on my experience with this game, than I would for just about any other.

That said, I certainly understand where you're coming from. Deciding on a game to buy isn't always the easiest, especially if money is a factor that really matters to you. And what I have to say about this game could be said about Blasphemous for others. So I won't pressure you any further, other than to encourage you to look past the hour per dollar metric for just a moment.
you've been nice enough to respond, and have been helpful to boot, so i feel i owe the same courtesy.

this may be a great game, it has tons of good reviews, so i'm really not doubting that. glancing at it though, it seems to really fall short on the metroidvania aspect. which is really all i was curious about for now.
Fair enough. Hope you find a game that's just what you're looking for.
Melodia 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 9:19 
Well I for one have 20 hours, and I don't believe I ever started a second playthrough. If you do side stuff you can easily get minimum 15 hours out of it.

As for the 'Metroidvania aspect' I dunno what people are looking for. It for sure hits all the boxes of what one would expect in one. Hell people have complained the game is TOO inspired by Hollow Knight (I wouldn't say it is, just there are some similarities in some mechanics that aren't uncommon in the genre in general).
Stormspark 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 10:22 
Yes, it's definitely a metroidvania.
I guess 20 Hrs on your first Run is a realistic Timeframe, Metroidvania or not.
Even if it is a Jump and Run, or not, the Game glances uncomparable so far in its Genre and holds enough to go for some more Playthroughs.
Actually on Sale for Ten noone should say its not worth it.
Especially in Games that are comparably harder many Players have the tendency to boost themselfes by saying i did this easily ... in a short. Its just those Time where People define themselves via playing Games.
And especially the cool ones seem to be a bit irritated that this Games holds a lot more than just those cool onesided actions and brings a lot more on the emotional aspect, like just a few Games out there.
Falling short on the Metroidvania-aspect is not the Games Problem, its a Problem caused by the stupid Steamtags.
最后由 Snipesnippydiznipsnipzipndidip 编辑于; 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 11:17
sandy claws 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 11:12 
引用自 Melodia
Well I for one have 20 hours, and I don't believe I ever started a second playthrough. If you do side stuff you can easily get minimum 15 hours out of it.

As for the 'Metroidvania aspect' I dunno what people are looking for. It for sure hits all the boxes of what one would expect in one. Hell people have complained the game is TOO inspired by Hollow Knight (I wouldn't say it is, just there are some similarities in some mechanics that aren't uncommon in the genre in general).
"metroidvania aspect" refers to something like... metroid for nes. maybe super metroid if you're feeling spicey. or castle"vania", symphony of the night being my favorite.

hollow knight is a good metroidvania, but it's also more than a metroidvania. this game has an art style somewhat reminiscent of it. which is mostly why i'm even looking at this.
hollow knight took me 40 hours for my first play-through. i got a lot of stuff, but nothing close to everything. i saw the game had multiple endings and picked it up again later to realize beating the game was barely scratching the surface. i now have over 260 hours into hollow knight and will continue to rack up more hours.

this is what baffles me with the metroidvania comparison. when i think metroidvania, i am mostly thinking metroid and castlevania. the games in these series are long, trial and error exploring with ability to progress upon finding the necessary treasures.

metroid and castlevania are just long play-throughs by the nature of it. hollow knight as well.
i'm not trying to be rude saying this, i'm just legit confused about these comparisons when i'm seeing 10 hour completions with first play-through.

i see 3 possibilities from that.
1. these people are lying about completing their "first" playthrough in 10 hours. or 100%ing the game 3x within 30hours. <-- paraphrased quote in reviews.
2. it's very linear and easy to complete within a short period of time.
3. it's an insanely small map and/or lacking content

i'm imagining #2, which isn't really a bad thing, but it's the opposite of a metroidvania.

I guess 20 Hrs on your first Run is a realistic Timeframe, Metroidvania or not.
Even if it is a Jump and Run, or not, the Game glances uncomparable so far in its Genre and holds enough to go for some more Playthroughs.
Actually on Sale for Ten noone should say its not worth it.
Especially in Games that are comparably harder many Players have the tendency to boost themselfes by saying i did this easily ... in a short. Its just those Time where People define themselves via playing Games.

this seemed more like a jump and run to me. which again, not a bad thing....
i still have interest in this game, but i wanted to know if this is a fast-paced "limbo", or a really short castlevania before debating it.
最后由 sandy claws 编辑于; 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 11:13
引用自 sandy claws
引用自 Melodia
Well I for one have 20 hours, and I don't believe I ever started a second playthrough. If you do side stuff you can easily get minimum 15 hours out of it.

As for the 'Metroidvania aspect' I dunno what people are looking for. It for sure hits all the boxes of what one would expect in one. Hell people have complained the game is TOO inspired by Hollow Knight (I wouldn't say it is, just there are some similarities in some mechanics that aren't uncommon in the genre in general).
"metroidvania aspect" refers to something like... metroid for nes. maybe super metroid if you're feeling spicey. or castle"vania", symphony of the night being my favorite.

hollow knight is a good metroidvania, but it's also more than a metroidvania. this game has an art style somewhat reminiscent of it. which is mostly why i'm even looking at this.
hollow knight took me 40 hours for my first play-through. i got a lot of stuff, but nothing close to everything. i saw the game had multiple endings and picked it up again later to realize beating the game was barely scratching the surface. i now have over 260 hours into hollow knight and will continue to rack up more hours.

this is what baffles me with the metroidvania comparison. when i think metroidvania, i am mostly thinking metroid and castlevania. the games in these series are long, trial and error exploring with ability to progress upon finding the necessary treasures.

metroid and castlevania are just long play-throughs by the nature of it. hollow knight as well.
i'm not trying to be rude saying this, i'm just legit confused about these comparisons when i'm seeing 10 hour completions with first play-through.

i see 3 possibilities from that.
1. these people are lying about completing their "first" playthrough in 10 hours. or 100%ing the game 3x within 30hours. <-- paraphrased quote in reviews.
2. it's very linear and easy to complete within a short period of time.
3. it's an insanely small map and/or lacking content

i'm imagining #2, which isn't really a bad thing, but it's the opposite of a metroidvania.

I guess 20 Hrs on your first Run is a realistic Timeframe, Metroidvania or not.
Even if it is a Jump and Run, or not, the Game glances uncomparable so far in its Genre and holds enough to go for some more Playthroughs.
Actually on Sale for Ten noone should say its not worth it.
Especially in Games that are comparably harder many Players have the tendency to boost themselfes by saying i did this easily ... in a short. Its just those Time where People define themselves via playing Games.

this seemed more like a jump and run to me. which again, not a bad thing....
i still have interest in this game, but i wanted to know if this is a fast-paced "limbo", or a really short castlevania before debating it.
...more like a fast paced Limbo, your Fingers will ache.
And i would say you pay for more than just blown up repeating streched Content.
But did you noticed already that this is the second part of the Game?
最后由 Snipesnippydiznipsnipzipndidip 编辑于; 2022 年 9 月 24 日 下午 11:50
skydiamand 2022 年 9 月 25 日 上午 2:39 
引用自 sandy claws
is this game really a metroidvania?

i'm noticing a lot of reviews (up and down) claiming to beat this game on first play-through in under 10 hours.
even on sale this game has a comparatively high price-tag, so i'm a bit worried how short/linear this game might be.
To sum it up Ori is a metroidvenia but more linear then others.
The game is also shorter in length but makes up for it in quality what is way more important in my oppinion
Quality over quantity
Melodia 2022 年 9 月 25 日 上午 5:46 
I would hardly call this 'more linear than others'. You literally have a choice of three (or was it four?) large sections of the game to choose from that you can do in whatever order you want,
sandy claws 2022 年 9 月 25 日 上午 9:59 
i appreciate the feedback. i believe i have a better understanding of what to expect from this game.
Corrie 2022 年 9 月 26 日 下午 1:46 
I don't see how length has anything to do with the style being called metroidvania. That just means you re-trace your steps to some areas where new skills allow you to unlock areas you couldn't access previously. It definitely has that even if it's on the shorter side.
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