Ori and the Will of the Wisps

Ori and the Will of the Wisps

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stretchyf původně napsal:
I have the same definition of a "furry" in my head. Without any negativity (especially about the second part). Probably I'm just not familiar with that "furry culture" peoples are talking. And for the better I suppose.

Furries (the fans) have a bad reputation because of the rule34 part of the community. It is a part of the community and always will. However, rule34 can be found in everything. Furries are just known more, because they are related to actual animals that people might find "unpleasant" even, if a Furry never did anything with a feral animal.

Furry =/= bestiality. Many don't know that.

No one speaks about the bright side of the community, when they meet up on cons and play around with people.

stretchyf původně napsal:
And at that point it misses me. Ori is clearly anthropomorphic with their two-legged gaits and upright posture. Two legs, two arms, upright posture, intelligent - how is it not anthropomorphic? But again, I not consider being an anthropomorphic creature as something bad.

I see your point, but this is why I brought up the Alien from the show.
This creature does have legs, arms and even a tail yet, not considered as a furry.
A furry should be related to an actual animal with human characteristics.

I -personally- couldn't say, what kind of animal Ori could be.
You hardly can say to a creature Furry, if you can't see which animal it is at the first sight.

You could ask the question, what about Renamon, then?
I'd use the example above. You can see that she is an animal, actually an anthropomorphic fox.

stretchyf původně napsal:
I wouldn't say that Ori likes to die. It sounds weird and disparaging. When I play Ori my first and foremost concern is to not kill Ori unnecessarily - Ori doesn't like to die in my book.

Alright, it was just a reference of how much we die as Ori.
I think he does not like to die but...
I sometimes wonder if the Spirit Link is actually not just a saving mechanism but Ori's ability too.

So, if Ori is actually able to make these links and revert back in time whenever he gets lethal damage?
Naposledy upravil Teal V2; 9. bře. 2020 v 1.58
Teal V2 původně napsal:
Furries (the fans) have a bad reputation because of the rule34 part of the community. It is a part of the community and always will. However, rule34 can be found in everything.
...
No one speaks about the bright side of the community, when they meet up on cons and play around with people.
Have nothing to add.

Teal V2 původně napsal:
I see you point, but this is why I brought up the Alien from the show.
This creature does have legs, arms and even a tail yet, not considered as a furry.
A furry should be related to an actual animal with human characteristics.
So to being a "furry" you should be anthropomorphic and have an actual animal mixed into it. I see your your point while not agree entirely, but I have very limited experience in the field. For me Ori has a mammalian look very much like creatures living on Earth, not an alien, and it is enough for me. If not these eyes of course, they are the reminder that Ori have something to do with being a "little monster".

Teal V2 původně napsal:
You could ask the question, what about Renamon, then? I'd use the example above. You can see that she is an animal, actually an anthropomorphic fox.
I'm missing the point again :) Anthropomorphic, fox... but not a furry. I googled some images and yes, I wouldn't like to name Renamon a furry, looks more like a pokemon to me. So I rather see your point but there is some issues with the definitions.

Teal V2 původně napsal:
Alright, it was just a reference of how much we die as Ori.
I think he does not like to die but...
I sometimes wonder if the Spirit Link is actually not just a saving mechanism but Ori's ability too.

So, if Ori is actually able to make these links and revert back in time whenever he gets lethal damage?
You wouldn't believe that, but I like to think exactly the same way - that Ori not actually dies and it is like back in time. But I couldn't get rid of the feeling that after Ori's respawn for their foes it is not like back in time. But I can't add any substance for the claim now. And the game has enough things that are not very clear so having some little feeling is not enough to disprove anything.

May be Ori just disintegrates and reassembles? But then Ori should lost that Kuro's feather as the only material thing with them.
stretchyf původně napsal:
Have nothing to add.

Do not get me wrong, I'm not trying to protect the fandom. I know well how crap they can be and actually they are.
But not all of them, so to speak. Just to make it point forward:
Just because a part of humans made horrible things, not all the mankind is horrible.

stretchyf původně napsal:
So to being a "furry" you should be anthropomorphic and have an actual animal mixed into it. I see your your point while not agree entirely, but I have very limited experience in the field. For me Ori has a mammalian look very much like creatures living on Earth, not an alien, and it is enough for me. If not these eyes of course, they are the reminder that Ori have something to do with being a "little monster".

Well, yes. I would call him as a little beast.
But also, Furry -as term- is not too simple to determine, as you can see, different people add different meanings to that.
Ori is a Furry to you, which in my opinion is fine, as I see your point of views and I wouldn't argue with them. He does look like a little mammal to me as well.

It is just not enough for me to call him as a Furry by myself, but a little beast.

stretchyf původně napsal:
I'm missing the point again :) Anthropomorphic, fox... but not a furry. I googled some images and yes, I wouldn't like to name Renamon a furry, looks more like a pokemon to me. So I rather see your point but there is some issues with the definitions.

Uh-oh, maybe I was equivocal. ^w^"
I wanted to say, Renamon is a furry, because we can clearly see the signs of a fox with human characteristics, so, the anthropomorphic structure.

Some Pokemons are also Furries, as a lot of them are actual animals taken from Earth with a few changes.
In my opinion. I add this because I respect your point of views about what a Furry is.

stretchyf původně napsal:
You wouldn't believe that, but I like to think exactly the same way - that Ori not actually dies and it is like back in time. But I couldn't get rid of the feeling that after Ori's respawn for their foes it is not like back in time. But I can't add any substance for the claim now. And the game has enough things that are not very clear so having some little feeling is not enough to disprove anything.

May be Ori just disintegrates and reassembles? But then Ori should lost that Kuro's feather as the only material thing with them.

Huh, very good detection with this Kuro's feather!
I liked this reassembling idea, but then you just countered it with this. Hmm...

If we wanted to be dangerously loyal to the game, then we could ask that, where the feather goes when Ori does not use it?

Could it be possible that, Kuro is actually the manifestation of darkness (as Ori and the like of the light) and her feather can be de-materialized by Ori when he does not use it?
So, Ori actually carries a piece of darkness within him since he finds the feather.
Naposledy upravil Teal V2; 9. bře. 2020 v 3.17
Teal V2, thank you for the nice discussion!

Teal V2 původně napsal:
Do not get me wrong, I'm not trying to protect the fandom. I know well how crap they can be and actually they are.
But not all of them, so to speak. Just to make it point forward:
Just because a part of humans made horrible things, not all the mankind is horrible.
Also don't get me wrong. I had put no other meaning into that phrase aside from that I really have nothing to say.

Teal V2 původně napsal:
Well, yes. I would call him as a little beast.
But also, Furry -as term- is not too simple to determine, as you can see, different people add different meanings to that.
Ori is a Furry to you, which in my opinion is fine, as I see your point of views and I wouldn't argue with them. He does look like a little mammal to me as well.

It is just not enough for me to call him as a Furry by myself, but a little beast.
I also not really ready to call Ori a furry, but have no issues when someone calls Ori that way. But if it implies no negativity, no rule 34 for example... because just why?! Do you have nothing more suitable than Ori for this?

Teal V2 původně napsal:
Uh-oh, maybe I was equivocal. ^w^"
I wanted to say, Renamon is a furry, because we can clearly see the signs of a fox with human characteristics, so, the anthropomorphic structure.

Some Pokemons are also Furries, as a lot of them are actual animals taken from Earth with a few changes.
In my opinion. I add this because I respect your point of views about what a Furry is.
So as it happened we have different views on this :) but respect each other. And I'm not really invested in my views on Renamon because I just know nothing about the character.

Teal V2 původně napsal:
Huh, very good detection with this Kuro's feather!
I liked this reassembling idea, but then you just countered it with this. Hmm...

If we wanted to be dangerously loyal to the game, then we could ask that, where the feather goes when Ori does not use it?

Could it be possible that, Kuro is actually the manifestation of darkness (as Ori and the like of the light) and her feather can be de-materialized by Ori when he does not use it?
So, Ori actually carries a piece of darkness within him since he finds the feather.
Lore questions can take us very far away and very interesting actually. To build a coherent picture... it would be so nice! But probably I gave up for now, sadly :( and just appreciate the game as is and what it gave to me.

I would rather imagine Ori stowing the feather by wrapping it around their body, like a belt. But it would worn out quickly then. And given to Ori again after respawn and slowly falling on Ori from some height to be picked up again. But it has no much sense and just some random thoughts.

Feather being turned into immaterial substance and used when needed is more neat idea and new to me, thanks. But it looks like Moon Studios already made a surprise for us there when according to old videos Ori is getting out the feather from nowhere and then just looses it when falling from Ku.
There is a special place in hell for OP.
Is threads like this, that make me wish the Inquisition was still a thing
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stretchyf původně napsal:
Lore questions can take us very far away and very interesting actually. To build a coherent picture... it would be so nice! But probably I gave up for now, sadly :( and just appreciate the game as is and what it gave to me.

I would rather imagine Ori stowing the feather by wrapping it around their body, like a belt. But it would worn out quickly then. And given to Ori again after respawn and slowly falling on Ori from some height to be picked up again. But it has no much sense and just some random thoughts.

Feather being turned into immaterial substance and used when needed is more neat idea and new to me, thanks. But it looks like Moon Studios already made a surprise for us there when according to old videos Ori is getting out the feather from nowhere and then just looses it when falling from Ku.

From Ku? Kuro? Or the child of Kuro?
I haven't seen any videos about Ori 2 (except the trailer) in purpose not to see too much spoilers.
I do not know if it was in the trailer or not, but if Ori just got the feather out of nowhere, then this materialization thing still could work as... Well. Out of nowhere.

Hopefully this new adventure will let us know more about what Ori is and how their kind work.

But I bet, we won't know where he hides the feather. >w<
Teal V2 původně napsal:
From Ku? Kuro? Or the child of Kuro?
I haven't seen any videos about Ori 2 (except the trailer) in purpose not to see too much spoilers.
I do not know if it was in the trailer or not, but if Ori just got the feather out of nowhere, then this materialization thing still could work as... Well. Out of nowhere.

Hopefully this new adventure will let us know more about what Ori is and how their kind work.

But I bet, we won't know where he hides the feather. >w<
Yes, Ku is the name that little owl has, a child of Kuro. I watched only old trailer that was available on Steam Store page when pre-ordering become available. And some old gameplay video during almost 2 years old interview with Thomas Mahler.
☣HonorableFoe☣ původně napsal:
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ furries man, disgustang!
Leave Ori alone!
:winter2019angryyul:

Why the hate? Not furries are about sex! Then if you hate furry fandom then probably you hate dark. Emos. Floggers. Gays anf small sub cultures that are minority. Im not a furry myself (dressing in those fursuit) but like normal art of those characters and ori could be a furry or not depending on your own perdonal taste. For me ori is an anthropomorfic creature.

If someone could explain why the hatred of furries?
okay, ORI IS FURRY. happy now?
ME.XAH původně napsal:
okay, ORI IS FURRY. happy now?
FOOL!!
You fell for their gay trap
:2017stickycrab:
This section of the reply is off-topic, courtesy of everyone who decided that it woud be a good idea to have this discussion right here, on this forum.

PixelFox původně napsal:
This is the most bare bones definition of furries. Good job at making a false claim and not actually telling what furries really are and why they are hated.
I'd like to add to that. Not only is this definition imprecise, it is also, depending on the exact context, incorrect. I'm specifically talking about the aspect of anthropomorphism.

The argument here will be revolving around furry image boards, so let's take E6 (Who knows, knows. I'm not going to post links and risk getting terminated for breaking community guidelines.) as an example. With E6 being arguably one of the most prominent furry image boards, I'd argue it can be used as a pretty good example.
We're going to take a look at one way of categorizing such content: separation into anthro (human-shaped, generally anything that first comes into your mind when you hear the word "furry"), feral (non-anthro, aka just animals, aka the-one-no-one-ever-talks-about-I-wonder-why), and semi-anthro (the in-between state, used when a choice can't be made between anthro and feral).
First let's take a look at some statistics: what percentage of content on the website is linked to each of these tags.

Posts tagged as anthro: 1205000 (around 79%)
Posts tagged as semi-anthro: 11000 (around 1%)
Posts tagged as feral: 306000 (around 20%)
Total number of posts (sum of all the above): 1522000

Some posts aren't tagged with any of these, but I can't find the actual total anywhere. Not that this matters much, anyway.

As you can see, feral makes up about a fifth of all content on the website. Now for the tricky part:
When it somes to anthro or semi-anthro content, you could argue that all characters shown are, to at least some extent, anthropomorphic. But when taking a look at feral, things get a bit more messy. At this point, the whole "attribution of human traits, emotions, or intentions" (aka anthromomorphism) thing becomes seemingly optional (present in the majority of cases, but not in all of them). I've seen lots of this type of content, and I can tell you that the absolute lack of human characteristics is quite common in this realm (especially when it comes to creators who tend to make realistic or hyperrealistic content).
Again, not going to link anything. Look it up of your own accord, if you so wish.

The above numbers show that feral makes up for a decent amount of the total content on these platforms. That being said, I can't tell you just what fraction of feral falls into the fully non-anthropomorphic category (plus this is a partially subjective matter). But I'd say it's a fraction significant enough to mention.

In summary: Your definition falls flat because you're using it to describe a concept so nebulous that it can't be easily defined. At least not if you want to describe it accurately with all cases in mind.

stretchyf původně napsal:
Teal V2 původně napsal:
You could ask the question, what about Renamon, then? I'd use the example above. You can see that she is an animal, actually an anthropomorphic fox.
I'm missing the point again :) Anthropomorphic, fox... but not a furry. I googled some images and yes, I wouldn't like to name Renamon a furry, looks more like a pokemon to me. So I rather see your point but there is some issues with the definitions.

stretchyf původně napsal:
pokemon
*sigh*

If you'd take a look at pretty much any community-driven furry image board, you'd find that you're completely wrong on this matter. Unless you want to tell me that, apparently, members of the furry community store large amounts of non-furry content (excluding memes, of course) on furry-exclusive boards/archives for... ahhh, seemingly no reason. Or that the fact that they do is completely irrelevant.

This point marks the end of the off-topic section. Everything past this point refers to the OP's question.

As for the OP's question, I'm gonna throw in my two cents right here: If there is a character/creature that resembles, in any amount, an animal (or, in some cases, simply looks nothing like a human would), then the furry community will get its hands on it. Arguing about superficial technicalities like the two gentlemen above is quite pointless.
Basically: Well yes, but actually no.

Also, please do tell me, what kind of unholy demon has compelled you to create this abomination of a thread right before the game's release? In any case, I hope you at least got what you expected out of it...
Muggins původně napsal:
ME.XAH původně napsal:
okay, ORI IS FURRY. happy now?
FOOL!!
You fell for their gay trap
:2017stickycrab:

You must be very bored.
Spend that much time on studying and you might not be homeless when you move.

Just a suggestion as I'm so worried about such people's future.
GgWw1175 původně napsal:
stretchyf původně napsal:
I'm missing the point again :) Anthropomorphic, fox... but not a furry. I googled some images and yes, I wouldn't like to name Renamon a furry, looks more like a pokemon to me. So I rather see your point but there is some issues with the definitions.

stretchyf původně napsal:
pokemon
*sigh*

If you'd take a look at pretty much any community-driven furry image board, you'd find that you're completely wrong on this matter. Unless you want to tell me that, apparently, members of the furry community store large amounts of non-furry content (excluding memes, of course) on furry-exclusive boards/archives for... ahhh, seemingly no reason. Or that the fact that they do is completely irrelevant.
But I already said that I'm not expert on furries and don't want to look at an community-driven furry image board. But I can't believe that you are so familiar with the topic against your will :2019smile: Also me:
stretchyf původně napsal:
So as it happened we have different views on this :) but respect each other. And I'm not really invested in my views on Renamon because I just know nothing about the character.
So your point is? Can I say that all your speech is a lot of hot air or not?

It was not me who started the thread but I just wanted to know why people are so sure that Ori can't be or shouldn't be called a furry. I was thinking there is a clear definition, but it happened that it is not, but some still sure. It looks more like an emotional reaction because furries are associated with something disgusting and we do not want Ori to be part of something disgusting (I'm too).

GgWw1175 původně napsal:
Basically: Well yes, but actually no.
Not that I'm defending "Ori is a furry" statement, but where are the arguments? For me Ori is not a furry mainly because Ori is quite small and you don't want to see a human-sized Ori. For me actual furry should be comparable in size to human. I think I'm very close to the Teal V2 view on the subject. But it is again non-specialist view you can easily disprove with the weight of your knowledge :shiva:
Ori = Carbunkles :P
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