Duke Fishron Impossible?

[mytomanen_bre]

So i've red every guide, i watched every video there ever was in the history of man on how to kill him. I have tried to kill him 2 times now (and truffle worms aint easy to come by in my world) and i failed both times. This time i got really really far into the battle, he was down to mabye 5-10k hp but his attacks just screws me up every single time. It's completely unbeleavable to me how people manage to kill this dude. He is just way to hard and i think the team working on terraria need to nerf him, because he is just too damn strong for any equipment in terraria there is to find. I used megashard, frost armor and ichor bullets, along with almost every buff potion in the game and also the last tier accessories there is (obsidian ankh shield, destroyer emblem, frost boots and fire wings) and i still can't wrap my head around how to survive all his attacks. Bubbles, big and small. Sharks everywhere, There is just no way on earth that i can beat him, and i am starting to believe that all the videos are somehow fake and cropped somehow, or mabye they managed to mod their own dude fishrin and nerf him completely because the duke fishron i always try to kill, is impossible, even by a pro gamer standard. This is just utterly ridiculous. Can someone please explain to me how they managed to kill him? And don't just type "just do this and that blablabla super easy" because MY duke fishron is everything in this world but easy.

[Sebastian]

first of all, please use paragraphing. its unbearable to read walls of text.
as someone who at first faced some problems beating him as well, I recommend building an asphalt skybridge near the ocean.
anyways, it would also help to know your complete current loadout.

[Coors]

My first legit kill, my first someone gave me a flair on so I don't really count that, was with a combat shotgun and chlorophyte bullets. As said above asphalt helps. Not necessary but we built a sky bridge out of it way beforehand so that just worked out in my favor. Dodging his charges is pretty simple. When he zigs you zag. When he zags you zig. The sharknadoes just fly up last second to avoid them.

[Celator]

Something you have to learn about gaming that every gamer, sometime in their life, has to learn: you are not the best. The reason other people can beat him but you can't is that you are simply not as good as them.

That said, your choice in equipment is also rather questionable. Why Megashark? Chain Gun is way better. Why Frost armor? Frost is three whole tiers below the endgame armors. Beetle, or Shroomite if you're using ranged weapons, would be a much better choice. Why Flame Wings? Spooky or Tattered Fairy Wings would give much better maneuverability.

For that matter, have you ever even done any moon event? Fishron is meant to be taken on after you do Pumpkin Moon, and is supposed to be about the same tier as Frost Moon. I don't see any items from either event in your setup, though. If you haven't beaten Pumpkin Moon at least, you shouldn't even be thinking about taking on Duke Fishron yet. Although, if you know his movement and attack patterns, he should be beatable even at that level.

Duke Fishron is different from every other boss in the game in that you can't just brute-force your way through him. His attacks are way too strong to be tanked, so you have to focus on dodging and learn his patterns. He's really quite easy once you figure out his movements, though you might have to fight him a few times before you get them down. But he's far from "impossible".

Also, here's a tip: you can destroy all of his projectiles (save the big bubbles he shoots at you in his second stage). If you use a homing weapon like Chlorophyte Bullets or the Scourge of the Corruptor, it'll protect you from any incoming sharks or bubbles while also hitting the Duke himself.

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by Over8001:

Why Megashark? Chain Gun is way better.

chain gun is frost moon gear. its therefore hard to obtain especially without OP stuff like the flairon. its also a random drop, you might be unlucky and just not get it.

Originally posted by Over8001:

Why Flame Wings? Spooky or Tattered Fairy Wings would give much better maneuverability.

see above.
and yes, you can just have really bad luck. until recently I didnt have either, and that was a good while after I got fishron wings.

Originally posted by Over8001:

Fishron is meant to be taken on after you do Pumpkin Moon, and is supposed to be about the same tier as Frost Moon.

this video says otherwise and he seems to be pretty knowledgeable on the matter.
personally I agree. you can get good endgame weapons from other places, like the tactical shotgun (aka bossshredder).

[Drag]

I have quite a can to open on what you've written here, mytomanen_bre. But instead of being a complete jerk and just ranting at your inability to deal with His Grace, I'll instead point out what's going wrong and offer advice.


First off, you're far from using top teir equipment as you claim. Your flame wings are outclassed by a hoverboard, which I would actually reccomend for this fight, up until you get a pair of fishron wings to drop (which those are extremely awesome on their own, better than the hoverboard.)

Similarly, you're using a megashark. The chaingun 9dropped from a certain genocidally insane robot Santa Clause tank in the frost moon) is also superior to the megashark. I udnerstand that the frost moon was designed to challenge those with top teir gear itself, and that you might not want to go out of your way to get a chaingun. The megashark is good enough for this fight.

I'd advise you ditch the ichor bullets for crystal bullets, and instead get yourself crystal bullets and a golden showers spell. The ichor is great and synergizes well with your high rate of fire. However, crystal bullets and their shards will synergize even better with the ichor, given the way that the debuff works in this game. The spell is also useful for coutnering hiw stage 1 bubbles attack.

You're also going to want a higher level of defense while you're learnign how to fight him. Replace the frost armor with the defensive bettle set (with the shell.) The added defense and set bonus will greatly reduce how much damage you take on a failed dodge.

Oh, and it is a good diea to have a skybridge built near the ocean, up a short distance (but not too far.) it'll serve as a landing point, and if you kite well (which I'll detail soon) you can stay pretty close to the ocean biome.

With equipment out of the way, here's how to use it.

In both stages, his attacks are highly predictable. He always uses the exact same patern that you can control at your own will.

In stage 1, he starts with five ramming attacks toward you. The trick to dodging these is the fact that he's unable to turn while launching one of them. On the othe rhand, his lunges are insanely fast. You will not be able to dodge him without an asphalt boost if you move directly away from him. So instead, dodge perpendicularly. If he's going left or right, go up or down. if he's going up or down, move left or right. The hoverboard's hover feature grants you an added boost to horizontal motion. This is fast enough to get you out of the way of a vertical charge. You'll still have some issues with the horizontal rams, but falling or flying straight up should have some results.

After exactly five ram attacks, he'll hover for a short bit and let out about 20 or so detonating, homing bubbles. Pull out the golden showers spell (which should be on your hotbar) to coutner them. The spell can pierce through the bubbles pretty easily, stopping them, and at the same time debuffing him.

After his bubbles comes another five rams. Dodge those, and try to get him to end up close to the edge of the world, or at least, away from where you'll want to land. After the five rams he'll come to a stop and dro a couple sharknados. If you got him to drop them near the edge, or away from your landing spots, you'll be in good shape. The thing about the sharkrons lobbed by these sharknados is that they have limited range. Once the tornados have started, get away from them. They won't be able to harm you.

After he drops his two sharknados, he'll repeat his attack pattern with another five rams, the bubbles, another five rams, and so on and so forth until you reach stage 2.


Once you've cut him down to half health, he'll enter stage 2. he's a bit more dangerous in this stage in some ways, and in others he's actually much easier.

In stage 3, he'll use only three rams instead of five. The attacks will be faster, making it harder to avoid him, but still possible to dodge if your reactions are fast enough.

After the first set of rams he'll do a large spinning bubble attack while spamming out bubbles everywhere. Unlike the stage 1 bubbles, however, these new ones have a much smaller range. Just fall away from him after the three rams while shooting in his general direction. The bubbles will pop on their own and never reach you. Since you don't need the golden showers to coutner this stage's bubbles, I sugest that you keep him ichored at all times.

He'll proceed with another three rams. same deal as before. Move in a way that you won't be moving directly away from him.

After the next set of rams, he'll drop out a blob projectile that'll chase after you. This thing will spawn a cthulunado (a much more dangerous sharknado) below wherever it touches you at, on the ground below. Put this infernal thing on the edge, or again, in a spot that you can avoid it at. Again, the sharkrons lobbed out will have limited range that you can use to avod them. Do not touch the cthulunado unless you absolutely have to. This is his most dangerous attack.

Once he's done dropping that nasty projectile, he'll proceed with more rammings and the loop will repeat until you've killed him (or been killed.)


Sorry for the long response, but that's how you deal with him. Maybe I should go back and finish that lengthy guide on this I started...

[Coors]

Here is how I do it. Without a Flairon it will take longer obviously but everything else is the same. With the asphalt I rarely even have to dodge him.

http://youtu.be/DuTV9ZaV_QM

[Drag]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

Originally posted by Over8001:

Why Megashark? Chain Gun is way better.

chain gun is frost moon gear. its therefore hard to obtain especially without OP stuff like the flairon. its also a random drop, you might be unlucky and just not get it.

Originally posted by Over8001:

Why Flame Wings? Spooky or Tattered Fairy Wings would give much better maneuverability.

see above.
and yes, you can just have really bad luck. until recently I didnt have either, and that was a good while after I got fishron wings.

Originally posted by Over8001:

Fishron is meant to be taken on after you do Pumpkin Moon, and is supposed to be about the same tier as Frost Moon.

this video says otherwise and he seems to be pretty knowledgeable on the matter.
personally I agree. you can get good endgame weapons from other places, like the tactical shotgun (aka bossshredder).

Fishron came out roughly five months after the frost moon did, which came roughly two months after the pumpkin moon did. To those of us who had been around about that time (which is a year ago, almost) fishron is something that comes after the moons. I already had a chaingun by the time he was in game.

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by Drag:

Fishron came out roughly five months after the frost moon did, which came roughly two months after the pumpkin moon did. To those of us who had been around about that time (which is a year ago, almost) fishron is something that comes after the moons. I already had a chaingun by the time he was in game.

you should also know that not everyone has started before 1.2.4
it also doesnt matter when content was released in terms of when you have to do them, or do you want to fight the brain of cthulu after the mechanical bosses?

[Drag]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

Originally posted by Drag:

Fishron came out roughly five months after the frost moon did, which came roughly two months after the pumpkin moon did. To those of us who had been around about that time (which is a year ago, almost) fishron is something that comes after the moons. I already had a chaingun by the time he was in game.

you should also know that not everyone has started before 1.2.4
it also doesnt matter when content was released in terms of when you have to do them, or do you want to fight the brain of cthulu after the mechanical bosses?

I was making a statement of what my experience was like. It's possible to get the holiday moon equipment before facing off duke fishron.

Recent updates to the game seem to be focused more toward endgame than in between. Red's making more and more content to push endgame players harder and harder.

[mytomanen_bre]

Thx for all the replies guys.

[Celator]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

chain gun is frost moon gear. its therefore hard to obtain especially without OP stuff like the flairon. its also a random drop, you might be unlucky and just not get it.

see above.
and yes, you can just have really bad luck. until recently I didnt have either, and that was a good while after I got fishron wings.

personally I agree. you can get good endgame weapons from other places, like the tactical shotgun (aka bossshredder).

Obviously the items I cited are not the only ones you can use, they're just recommendations. It's possible, if inadvisable, to beat Fishron with pre-hardmode gear. But generally you'll want to wait until after you've already conquered at least Pumpkin Moon before taking him on, since that was when he was meant to be fought.

Also, saying something is a "random drop" is not really a good argument against using it, since just about every endgame item is a random drop. If you don't like or aren't at least willing to tolerate grinding, then you'd probably be better off playing a different game.

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by Over8001:

But generally you'll want to wait until after you've already conquered at least Pumpkin Moon before taking him on, since that was when he was meant to be fought.

please cite where this is said, be it ingame or from an official source like a dev.

Originally posted by Over8001:

Also, saying something is a "random drop" is not really a good argument against using it

I never said you shouldnt use it.
I said you might be unlucky and just not get it. with enough (un)luck you could literally never get any of the items you mentioned.

[Celator]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

Originally posted by Over8001:

But generally you'll want to wait until after you've already conquered at least Pumpkin Moon before taking him on, since that was when he was meant to be fought.

please cite where this is said, be it ingame or from an official source like a dev.

I can't find the exact quote where it was said, but it was said by an official tester for Re-Logic on Terraria Online. I found another place where the same tester said basically the same thing, though: http://www.terrariaonline.com/threads/why-spectre-needs-to-be-removed-entirely.130901/page-21#post-3129862

Originally posted by Sebastian:

I never said you shouldnt use it.
I said you might be unlucky and just not get it. with enough (un)luck you could literally never get any of the items you mentioned.

Yeah, that's why Terraria's RNG is BS. But most of the game relies on RNG, so going by that logic you could also argue that it's possible never to find a Plantera Bulb at all, so all Duke Fishron strategies should use pre-Plantera gear, or you could never get a single Turtle Shell drop, so all strategies should avoid mentioning Beetle armor.

Basically, you can't account for every single possible instance of the RNG being a jerk, so just recommend the best possible stuff, and if the person can't get those things, you can cross that bridge then. Or they can get it from another player who does have it, this being the Internet Age and all.

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by Over8001:

I can't find the exact quote where it was said, but it was said by an official tester for Re-Logic on Terraria Online. I found another place where the same tester said basically the same thing, though: http://www.terrariaonline.com/threads/why-spectre-needs-to-be-removed-entirely.130901/page-21#post-3129862

all I see is someone talking about how good the weapon drops are, not when to fight him.

Originally posted by Over8001:

you could also argue that it's possible never to find a Plantera Bulb at all

no, plantera bulbs are guaranteed to spawn in a world. there is no percentage based thing, you will always have plantera bulbs.
finding one is another story, but if you try long enough, you are guaranteed to find one.

[Celator]

Originally posted by Sebastian:

all I see is someone talking about how good the weapon drops are, not when to fight him.

Try reading the rest of my post. I couldn't find the exact quote, but in that post he says Fishron's weapons are comparable with the Frost Moon drops, implying they're the same tier. I don't want to spend hours digging through old forum posts, so that's the best I can do.

In any case, I don't see why you need a "source" for it. Just looking at Fishron's stats and the stats of the Pumpkin Moon drops and applying a little common sense should be enough.

Originally posted by Sebastian:

no, plantera bulbs are guaranteed to spawn in a world. there is no percentage based thing, you will always have plantera bulbs.
finding one is another story, but if you try long enough, you are guaranteed to find one.

Way to completely ignore everything else I said.