What are the rarest/hardest items to get?

[Daisu]

So I have nothing else to do other than to get every single thing in this game. This is kinda tell me every single rare item in this game and I have it thread, but there must be stuff that I have not, so comment and tell me all dem rare stuff that I can farm/get in this game :)

[melly]

Move On Now

[Zemecon]

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Guys. Over8001 is a troll. Move on.

He's disagreeable but definately not a troll. I'm trying out someone else's server so I can't respond right now but as long as there are no personal attacks on my integrity then I don't see why I shouldn't respond.

[Celator]

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Guys. Over8001 is a troll. Move on.

You are a child.

I'll admit I'm playing the devil's advocate a bit here, but I do honestly believe what I'm arguing for (regarding the cheating argument, that is; the stuff about how the RNG works is just theorizing on my part, though not without evidence). And if you'll recall, I didn't intend to argue with anyone until someone tried to call the - what I consider perfectly legitimate - method I posted cheating, and all I've done since then is defend my opinion. I didn't know defending your opinion from people trying to tell you you're wrong was trolling.

If anyone wants me to be a little nicer, then just say so, and I'll happily oblige. I thought that we could all debate this like adults without having to go out of our way to avoid offending each other, but if you'd rather we tiptoe around everything so as not to damage anyone's fragile self-esteem, I can do that, too. I'm not "disagreeable", just frank, at least when it comes to debates.

[Pokevaati]

Publicado originalmente por Over8001:

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Guys. Over8001 is a troll. Move on.

You are a child.

I'll admit I'm playing the devil's advocate a bit here, but I do honestly believe what I'm arguing for (regarding the cheating argument, that is; the stuff about how the RNG works is just theorizing on my part, though not without evidence). And if you'll recall, I didn't intend to argue with anyone until someone tried to call the - what I consider perfectly legitimate - method I posted cheating, and all I've done since then is defend my opinion. I didn't know defending your opinion from people trying to tell you you're wrong was trolling.

If anyone wants me to be a little nicer, then just say so, and I'll happily oblige. I thought that we could all debate this like adults without having to go out of our way to avoid offending each other, but if you'd rather we tiptoe around everything so as not to damage anyone's fragile self-esteem, I can do that, too. I'm not "disagreeable", just frank, at least when it comes to debates.

If your not a troll, then i'm not to sure what to do. If cheating is using a third party program, isnt task manager made by redigit? Is the clock? No! And I sure as heck wouldn't say to Redigit that every exploit, glitch, bug and everything that even slightly conflicts with the Windows OS needs to be fixed or it is considered an in-game feature. Which is not true as I just said the clock and task manager are made by Microsoft and not redigit.

[Celator]

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

If your not a troll, then i'm not to sure what to do.

That's called "being insecure about your beliefs". If you really believe you are right, then you should be prepared to defend your opinion against any attack.

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

If cheating is using a third party program, isnt task manager made by redigit? Is the clock? No! And I sure as heck wouldn't say to Redigit that every exploit, glitch, bug and everything that even slightly conflicts with the Windows OS needs to be fixed or it is considered an in-game feature. Which is not true as I just said the clock and task manager are made by Microsoft and not redigit.

Windows wasn't made by Re-Logic, but Terraria was made to be played on Windows, as I explained before. Every player of the PC version of Terraria (at present, anyway) has Windows, therefore using its features to accomplish things in the game doesn't give you any sort of advantage. Everyone has access to the same tools. Third-party programs are cheating because not every player of Terraria will know about and/or have access to all of those programs.

It's like if, during a chess tournament, one of the players pulls out a gun and shoots his opponent. If you go by only the rules of the game, then this action is within the rules, since there isn't any rule in chess that explicitly bans shooting your opponent. However, the player who shot the other would still be arrested, since the government's laws still apply during a game of chess. Similarly, the program Terraria.exe may have its own internal rules, but the rules of the Windows operating system that contains it still apply. Just like laws are still assumed during a chess game, the capabilities of Windows are still assumed while playing Terraria.

[Pokevaati]

Publicado originalmente por Over8001:

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

If your not a troll, then i'm not to sure what to do.

That's called "being insecure about your beliefs". If you really believe you are right, then you should be prepared to defend your opinion against any attack.

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

If cheating is using a third party program, isnt task manager made by redigit? Is the clock? No! And I sure as heck wouldn't say to Redigit that every exploit, glitch, bug and everything that even slightly conflicts with the Windows OS needs to be fixed or it is considered an in-game feature. Which is not true as I just said the clock and task manager are made by Microsoft and not redigit.

Windows wasn't made by Re-Logic, but Terraria was made to be played on Windows, as I explained before. Every player of the PC version of Terraria (at present, anyway) has Windows, therefore using its features to accomplish things in the game doesn't give you any sort of advantage. Everyone has access to the same tools. Third-party programs are cheating because not every player of Terraria will know about and/or have access to all of those programs.

It's like if, during a chess tournament, one of the players pulls out a gun and shoots his opponent. If you go by only the rules of the game, then this action is within the rules, since there isn't any rule in chess that explicitly bans shooting your opponent. However, the player who shot the other would still be arrested, since the government's laws still apply during a game of chess. Similarly, the program Terraria.exe may have its own internal rules, but the rules of the Windows operating system that contains it still apply. Just like laws are still assumed during a chess game, the capabilities of Windows are still assumed while playing Terraria.

Oh, okay. Lets all go tell redigit that anything that conflicts with windows is a feature of terraria. No. Real life laws are very different from the capabilities of a PC. There might be no rule towards cheating with task manager and chest maps, but the point is nothing is rare if you use a new program to cheat it in or have it given to you.

[Ⱑⱃⱁⱀ]

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Second hardest, actually. Duke Fishron is technically the hardest.

Oh ok haven't tred that one yet, haven't played Terraria much since the last update came out. But still, you can summon Duke Fishron anytime in Hardmode, but the Frostmoon bosses are the absolute endgame stuff since you need to beat everything to get there.

[Pokevaati]

Publicado originalmente por Eragon:

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Second hardest, actually. Duke Fishron is technically the hardest.

Oh ok haven't tred that one yet, haven't played Terraria much since the last update came out. But still, you can summon Duke Fishron anytime in Hardmode, but the Frostmoon bosses are the absolute endgame stuff since you need to beat everything to get there.

You can also summon Wall Of Flesh at the start of the game, so yeah.

[Ⱑⱃⱁⱀ]

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Publicado originalmente por Eragon:

Oh ok haven't tred that one yet, haven't played Terraria much since the last update came out. But still, you can summon Duke Fishron anytime in Hardmode, but the Frostmoon bosses are the absolute endgame stuff since you need to beat everything to get there.

You can also summon Wall Of Flesh at the start of the game, so yeah.

I mean the way to the Reindeer Bells is the absolutely longest, that's why I consider them the rarest item ingame :) PLUS you need to solve the most difficult event, proceed until the last wave and then kill a very hard boss many many times which sometimes even spawns more than one of itself at a time... You literally have to kill every boss (all three mech boses, plantera, golem and of course the WoF) and to farm the absolutely best end-game gear... so I think the Reindeer Bells are also the item you will want to put your hand on when doing a playthrough with the aim of beating everything.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

look whether or not you think it's cheating to alter the game files, the point is it ruins the point of this competition if you can just get any item you want with zero effort.

[Celator]

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Oh, okay. Lets all go tell redigit that anything that conflicts with windows is a feature of terraria. No.

Excuse me, but WTH are you talking about? I seriously have no idea what you're trying to say.

Also, why do we need to tell Redigit anything? You aren't making any sense.

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Real life laws are very different from the capabilities of a PC.

Of course. It was meant to be an analogy. If you can't grasp that, then I'd suggest you leave while your dignity is (more or less) intact.

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

There might be no rule towards cheating with task manager and chest maps, but the point is nothing is rare if you use a new program to cheat it in or have it given to you.

Okay, so? I'm talking about the nature of cheating, not about whether or not something is rare.

Also, if you don't count items cheated in with third-party programs, then yes, some items are still rarer than others, regardless of how much trading takes place between players. Even if you do count cheated items, then the value of rare items hardly drops at all, since they're still rare to non-cheaters and there's no way to tell the difference between a cheated and non-cheated item.

Publicado originalmente por Batabii - Settle it in Smash!:

look whether or not you think it's cheating to alter the game files, the point is it ruins the point of this competition if you can just get any item you want with zero effort.

Uh, 1. What competition? And, 2. Tricks like the ones I mentioned don't let you get "any item" with "zero effort", they just let you get some items with - on average - slightly less effort. In any case, I'm not sure you really know what you mean by "effort", since stuff like the Amber Mosquito is purely luck-based and can sometimes be gotten after only one try anyway. If my friend can put one piece of silt into an Extractinator and get an Amber Mosquito, why is it cheating for me to reset my game a few times in order to feed 10,000 pieces of silt into an Extractinator?

[Pokevaati]

Publicado originalmente por Over8001:

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Oh, okay. Lets all go tell redigit that anything that conflicts with windows is a feature of terraria. No.

Excuse me, but WTH are you talking about? I seriously have no idea what you're trying to say.

Also, why do we need to tell Redigit anything? You aren't making any sense.

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Real life laws are very different from the capabilities of a PC.

Of course. It was meant to be an analogy. If you can't grasp that, then I'd suggest you leave while your dignity is (more or less) intact.

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

There might be no rule towards cheating with task manager and chest maps, but the point is nothing is rare if you use a new program to cheat it in or have it given to you.

Okay, so? I'm talking about the nature of cheating, not about whether or not something is rare.

Also, if you don't count items cheated in with third-party programs, then yes, some items are still rarer than others, regardless of how much trading takes place between players. Even if you do count cheated items, then the value of rare items hardly drops at all, since they're still rare to non-cheaters and there's no way to tell the difference between a cheated and non-cheated item.

Publicado originalmente por Batabii - Settle it in Smash!:

look whether or not you think it's cheating to alter the game files, the point is it ruins the point of this competition if you can just get any item you want with zero effort.

Uh, 1. What competition? And, 2. Tricks like the ones I mentioned don't let you get "any item" with "zero effort", they just let you get some items with - on average - slightly less effort. In any case, I'm not sure you really know what you mean by "effort", since stuff like the Amber Mosquito is purely luck-based and can sometimes be gotten after only one try anyway. If my friend can put one piece of silt into an Extractinator and get an Amber Mosquito, why is it cheating for me to reset my game a few times in order to feed 10,000 pieces of silt into an Extractinator?

Because its like going to a casino and everything is free.

[Celator]

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Because its like going to a casino and everything is free.

No, it's like going to a casino and some prizes are more likely than others. All these tricks do is give you an easier way to get certain items, or make items available to you that otherwise wouldn't be (which, btw, applies to every item in the game, since you can't get any item without fulfilling the conditions to get it). Things like farms serve the same purpose of reducing the average amount of effort, but I don't see anyone calling those cheating.

You cannot argue that just because something makes a task easier that makes it "cheating". There has to be more to your argument than that.

[Pokevaati]

Publicado originalmente por Over8001:

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Because its like going to a casino and everything is free.

No, it's like going to a casino and some prizes are more likely than others. All these tricks do is give you an easier way to get certain items, or make items available to you that otherwise wouldn't be (which, btw, applies to every item in the game, since you can't get any item without fulfilling the conditions to get it). Things like farms serve the same purpose of reducing the average amount of effort, but I don't see anyone calling those cheating.

You cannot argue that just because something makes a task easier that makes it "cheating". There has to be more to your argument than that.

But it cannot be achieved in the game, you need third party programs to make it easier aside from farms. Anything that is not a glitch and is achieved with the game and the game window only is getting it legit. Even having 1% more chance to get something like a slime staff is cheating because you cannot higher the chances in the game.

[Simeon]

Publicado originalmente por Vaati:

Publicado originalmente por Over8001:

No, it's like going to a casino and some prizes are more likely than others. All these tricks do is give you an easier way to get certain items, or make items available to you that otherwise wouldn't be (which, btw, applies to every item in the game, since you can't get any item without fulfilling the conditions to get it). Things like farms serve the same purpose of reducing the average amount of effort, but I don't see anyone calling those cheating.

You cannot argue that just because something makes a task easier that makes it "cheating". There has to be more to your argument than that.

But it cannot be achieved in the game, you need third party programs to make it easier aside from farms. Anything that is not a glitch and is achieved with the game and the game window only is getting it legit. Even having 1% more chance to get something like a slime staff is cheating because you cannot higher the chances in the game.

Vaati, I like that you’re not for creating and everything but let’s remember that Relogic did after all make the slime statues for a purpose. On top of that, I say that yes, using a third parting program is cheating. Got to hate in co-op player when everyone is walking around with 9999999 heath. The point being that co-op and third party programs are cheating while parts of the game that Relogic made for a purpose isn’t.