Lunar Fragments why are they so hard to get?

[EddyNeave]

I have just finished and beat the moon lord for the first time. I now have full solar and the meomere and some other stuff. I have killed the moon lord like 3 times and destroyed the pillars twice. I'm annoyed with it now.

Just that it takes so long like half hour just to destroy all pillars and the moon lord. I want the drill containment unit and all the armour and weapons, but i can't do that cuz it will no joke take me about 3 days of farming the damn pillars.

The Moon lord fight is great but the pillars are just irritating. I think the pillar enemies should have like a 10% chance to drop 1-3 fragments of there respective pillar. I also think the moon lord should drop more luminite like 2-3 times as much.

The moon lord is end-game right? So surely after beating him it's the end, i dont wanna have to keep farming something like this at the end of a game. At this point i would want to be kick ♥♥♥ and go get the rest of the trophies i missed and finish the acheivements and then build my world up and remove the hallow and crimson, not have to farm these damn pillars over and over.

Another idea, make it so that once the moon lord has been defeated make it so after the cultist dies it will just spawn the moonlord after 1 minute prep and then he drops the fragments that you would normally get from the pillars. In conclussion i do hope they make the end-game alot less tedious in the next update or patch. Discuss :)

In a post bellow i did all the calculations and it works out at around 4.6 hours of work to get all the end-game items.

[DarkestLight]

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

(seriously you dont need/want all of them)

Sir, I do in fact need and want them all. (although I farmed those specific items long ago) Gotta build em all, GOTTA BUILD EM ALL, TERRARIA!!!

[Celator]

If you hate grinding that much, then Terraria MAY not be the game for you. Just saying.

In any case, what are you doing that it takes you half an hour to kill all the pillars? The whole process, including the ML fight, should take maybe 15 minutes, tops. If it takes longer than that, especially when you have Luminite armor sets and ML drops, then you're doing something wrong. With my summoner character, while playing defensively, it takes me like 30 seconds to a minute to take down each pillar.

Also, you only have to kill each pillar two or three times to get all the fragments you'll ever need. After that, you should still have enough left over to craft some Celestial Sigils so you can skip the pillars most of the times after that.

[EddyNeave]

the DCU doesn not need any fragments at all. no point complaining about the pillars there. Plus they drop an average of approx. 40 fragments each time, which is enough to craft 2 moon lord summoners. so if you are after the luminite for the CDU and some of the armor, this is the best way to get it.

First the average amount of fragments you get from each tower is only 24. Also i don't just want to make the CDU i also want all armours, all weapons, all tools, and all wings. So i can finish the game with all armours, all weapons, all tools and all wings.

you need to kill 150 enemies on expert to make the pillar attackable. with your logic, literally every single item craftable with fragments could be crafted after 1 single run. that can't be the point for an end boss of a difficult game like this.

Your logix is flawed, a 10% chance getting between 1-3 fragments is only an extra 30 fragments on average which i think is perfectly fair.

come on just kill the pillars like 5-10 times and then never again if you hate the fight so much. 5 kills will give you enough fragments to craft all the armors, at least 1 weapon each (seriously you dont need/want all of them), and craft at least 5 sigils to spawn the moon lord 5 additional times.

Yes exatly 5-10 times which takes say 1 in game day to do all pillars and the boss. Killing everything including the moonlord would take 2-4 hours at the end of the game, thats without preperation and killing the cultist.

[EddyNeave]

Originally posted by Over8001:

If you hate grinding that much, then Terraria MAY not be the game for you. Just saying.

In any case, what are you doing that it takes you half an hour to kill all the pillars? The whole process, including the ML fight, should take maybe 15 minutes, tops. If it takes longer than that, especially when you have Luminite armor sets and ML drops, then you're doing something wrong. With my summoner character, while playing defensively, it takes me like 30 seconds to a minute to take down each pillar.

Also, you only have to kill each pillar two or three times to get all the fragments you'll ever need. After that, you should still have enough left over to craft some Celestial Sigils so you can skip the pillars most of the times after that.

I got asfar as the moonlord with no trading, killing all bosses, building, wiring and grinding. I'm pretty sure its my kind of game. In my post below i do all the maths. It would take 4.6 hours to get everything.

[EddyNeave]

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

Originally posted by DarkestLight:

Sir, I do in fact need and want them all. (although I farmed those specific items long ago) Gotta build em all, GOTTA BUILD EM ALL, TERRARIA!!!

fair enough. all armor, weapons, wings, hook take 127 fragments each if im right. makes 4 runs maximum, and probably you will have some spare fragments to make a sigil to spawn the moon lord an additional time. that isnt too much for many of the best items in the game, is it

On normal mode, its an average of 27 fragments 12-60 so to get the average (60-12)/2 = 27 fragments, then 127/27 is 5.2 runs so 6 runs, then i just saw on the wiki to make everything you still have to kill the moon lord 15-19 times! So let's say 17 times divide that by 2 because you can get 2 kills out of pillars also add the 5.2 runs before that's 13.7 runs (14) then a full ingame day/night cycle for cultist, pillars and ML including prep and everything that's 24 minutes a time (Round that down to 20 for people who can do it abit faster).

Ok so i just worked it out. To get everything in the end-game after killing the end-game boss will take an extra 4.6 hours so i think it works out 4 hours and 36 minutes. Extra. After the end-game. To just get end-game stuff. Yeah that definatly puts me off. Especially when i have work, and family and a life. So with all that in mind say 50-60 minutes play each day that's 4-5 days work. That's to go from End-game boss to End-game Items. See the problem now?

[EddyNeave]

well, if you want help with those endgame fights, i can help you, it can be faster then that. but anyway, like 30 rl minutes for an end boss fight in a hard game like terraria... and you have to do the fight 10 times... takes 3 hours playtime... to craft ALL the highest craftable gear in the game... well, it does not seem like anything worth mentioning to me. but maybe thats just because i am used too much to Borderlands 2.

Thanks but i like doing solo first before multiplayer. Also i quit playing borderlands 2 cuz i got bored of running everywhere, just frustrating. I did a better working out so yeah 4.6 hours to get everything i want. The math is in the comment above yours.

[Celator]

Originally posted by Eddygeek18:

On normal mode, its an average of 27 fragments 12-60 so to get the average (60-12)/2 = 27 fragments, then 127/27 is 5.2 runs so 6 runs, then i just saw on the wiki to make everything you still have to kill the moon lord 15-19 times!

That's for EVERYTHING made with Luminite, including all wings, one of every pickaxe and hamaxe, the Drill Containment Unit, and void dye. The picks and hamaxes are all respectively identical so you'll only make one set of those, and you'll only craft one set of wings (either Solar or Vortex, since they're the best ones), so you can count most of those out as well. Void dye isn't needed, and you also don't really need the DCU, it's a novelty item more than "endgame gear". So let's crunch the numbers again with all that taken into account.

For all endgame armor sets: 144 bars
For one pickaxe: 10 bars
For one hamaxe: 12 bars
For one set of wings: 10 bars

144 + 10 + 12 + 10 = 176 bars = 704 Luminite ore. At most it will take you 10 Moon Lord fights to get that, and at least you can get it in 7 if you do it in expert. And that's for all four armors, which you're probably not going to be using on the same character. If you're only getting enough items for a single character, you only ever have to fight the Moon Lord 4 times AT MOST. If you're collecting more than that, then you're doing it to yourself; the game is in no way compelling you.

Originally posted by Eddygeek18:

So let's say 17 times divide that by 2 because you can get 2 kills out of pillars also add the 5.2 runs before that's 13.7 runs (14)

Did you forget that you fight the Moon Lord anyway after each pillar run? Even with your uninformed numbers, that should make an average of 11 pillar runs. However, not only does each pillar run get combined with a Moon Lord fight, but I'm not sure how you got that average of 27 because I'm pretty sure the average between 12 and 60 is 36.

Thus, with real numbers, it should take on average 3.5 encounters with each pillar to get everything you need from them, not counting materials to make Celestial Sigils. Since it only takes 4 encounters with the Moon Lord to get all the Luminite you need from him, that means on average you'll only have to do the entire event 4 times to get all the materials you need to upgrade your character to Luminite-tier gear. And since ML drops 2-3 weapons for each class, that means that, if you're lucky enough to get the drops that match your class, you may ONLY have to fight him 4 times. Ever.

Originally posted by Eddygeek18:

then a full ingame day/night cycle for cultist, pillars and ML including prep and everything that's 24 minutes a time (Round that down to 20 for people who can do it abit faster).

You know that the cultists respawn immediately after the Moon Lord dies or despawns, right? So you can actually do the events as fast as you're able. Which, for most, should be 10-15 minutes total (especially as you gain more powerful gear while you progress).

Originally posted by Eddygeek18:

Ok so i just worked it out. To get everything in the end-game after killing the end-game boss will take an extra 4.6 hours so i think it works out 4 hours and 36 minutes. Extra. After the end-game. To just get end-game stuff. Yeah that definatly puts me off. Especially when i have work, and family and a life. So with all that in mind say 50-60 minutes play each day that's 4-5 days work. That's to go from End-game boss to End-game Items. See the problem now?

Using my corrected estimates above, it should take you on average 40-60 minutes to get all Luminite gear. 40-60 minutes. It might take you a bit longer to get the ML weapon drops you want, but as far as Luminite alone, we're talking less than an hour. That's less time than some JRPG final bosses take.

[Guywars]

You should have done expert mode for more drops.
Normal mode = easy mode and thus it balances the fact that you have to kill Moon Lord and Pillars many times since they're a piece of cake.

[EddyNeave]

Originally posted by Over8001:

That's for EVERYTHING made with Luminite, including all wings, one of every pickaxe and hamaxe, the Drill Containment Unit, and void dye. The picks and hamaxes are all respectively identical so you'll only make one set of those, and you'll only craft one set of wings (either Solar or Vortex, since they're the best ones), so you can count most of those out as well. Void dye isn't needed, and you also don't really need the DCU, it's a novelty item more than "endgame gear". So let's crunch the numbers again with all that taken into account.

Yes i do know that's for everything and that's what i want, everything all pickaxes the dyes the dcu the lot it's end game i wanna end the game not barely end the game. I wanna use all of the things pick which ones i like the best out of look aswell as use and then use them i dont wanna finish the game with things still to make.

Did you forget that you fight the Moon Lord anyway after each pillar run? Even with your uninformed numbers, that should make an average of 11 pillar runs. However, not only does each pillar run get combined with a Moon Lord fight, but I'm not sure how you got that average of 27 because I'm pretty sure the average between 12 and 60 is 36.

No i didn't forget that's why i divided 17 by 2. Because from every run you could on avarage get 2 moon lord kills. That's why i divided so my original working out still stands.

You know that the cultists respawn immediately after the Moon Lord dies or despawns, right? So you can actually do the events as fast as you're able. Which, for most, should be 10-15 minutes total (especially as you gain more powerful gear while you progress).

Yes i know i used the time it took ME to kill the cultist, the pillars and the moonlord which is around 24 minutes which is 1 full day/night cycle. I would face the lunatic cultist at late night, then pillars during the day. Then start the fight with ML the next night so 1 ingame day/night cycle whioch is 24 minutes. I took 4 minutes off incase others do it faster. So again my calculation still stands.

Using my corrected estimates above, it should take you on average 40-60 minutes to get all Luminite gear. 40-60 minutes. It might take you a bit longer to get the ML weapon drops you want, but as far as Luminite alone, we're talking less than an hour. That's less time than some JRPG final bosses take.

First i don't know what JRPG is. And no as above all the calculations where correct. Even if people are faster take 36 minutes off... So 4 hours. to get everything. After you already passed the end-game.

[EddyNeave]

Originally posted by Senpai Plz:

You should have done expert mode for more drops.
Normal mode = easy mode and thus it balances the fact that you have to kill Moon Lord and Pillars many times since they're a piece of cake.

I should of done but it was first time on terraria playing against any boss so i decided to play normal mode to get the hang of it. I will do expert next, but even in normal mode 4 hours is still silly.

[Heringqt]

Its not even hard to get i got over 100 luminite and fragments like 40solar 60vortex 120 nebula i got tons its not hard just do it :c

[EddyNeave]

Originally posted by Heringqt:

Its not even hard to get i got over 100 luminite and fragments like 40solar 60vortex 120 nebula i got tons its not hard just do it :c

This is my third day doing the Moon lord with Solar Armor and Solar Eruption. I only have the Solar Armour, 4 Weapons, DCU, and Stardust Armour. It's not that it's hard because it's not i just hate that the pillars are more difficult than the moon lord and how long it takes to get the sets. I want all the sets, weapons and tools. Then a few building blocks and dyes aswell. It should not take 3 days to complete only 60% of that. Anyway I have given up with the pillars now (Not because it's hard just irritatingly long) and am working on the pumpkin and frost moons.

[prpl_mage]

I usually do 1 run with pillars and then 2 without them using the fragments. You don't really need them when you have over 400 of each.

Also, the moon lord will have replayability as long as you haven't gotten all of his loot yet. I still haven't been able to cash in on a last prism so I just happen to own a lot of luminite.
Also, each pillar shouldn't take more than 3-4 minutes.

[Celator]

Originally posted by Eddygeek18:

Yes i do know that's for everything and that's what i want, everything all pickaxes the dyes the dcu the lot it's end game i wanna end the game not barely end the game. I wanna use all of the things pick which ones i like the best out of look aswell as use and then use them i dont wanna finish the game with things still to make.

If you want absolutely everything, then you should expect to spend a longer time getting it. Most people do not need and are not going to try to get every single item in the game. Terraria is only balanced around what the majority need, not obsessive completionists like you.

Originally posted by Eddygeek18:

No i didn't forget that's why i divided 17 by 2. Because from every run you could on avarage get 2 moon lord kills. That's why i divided so my original working out still stands.

I don't think you know how math works.

Each run gets you, on average, 36 fragments from each pillar (since (60-12)/2+12=36). Thus, after 13.7 runs, you get 493.2 fragments of each kind. Take away 127 to craft everything you need to with it, and you get 366.2. 366.2/20=18.31 Celestial Sigils you can make with the leftovers, which is more than you will need even if you are an obsessive completionist who wants to fight the Moon Lord 17 times total. Even with your incorrect average of 27 fragments per pillar, it still would be more than you'd need just to fight the ML 17 times.

What would actually happen is that you would fight the pillars 3.52 times, which would be enough to get all the fragments you need, and then after every additional pillar run you would have on average enough fragments to make 1.8 Celestial Sigils. This means that the number of times you've defeated the Moon Lord (assuming you win every time) versus the number of times you've fought the pillars can be represented by the equation M = ((36R-127)/20)+R rounded down, where M is the number of Moon Lords defeated and R is the number of pillar runs so far. Let's make a graph, shall we?

Pillar Runs - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Moon Lords Defeated - 1 2 3 4 7 10 13 16 18

So it would actually only take 9 pillar runs to fight the Moon Lord 17 times, if you really just had to get every single redundant endgame item. That's not bad considering only completionists are even going to try to do that.

Originally posted by Eddygeek18:

Yes i know i used the time it took ME to kill the cultist, the pillars and the moonlord which is around 24 minutes which is 1 full day/night cycle. I would face the lunatic cultist at late night, then pillars during the day. Then start the fight with ML the next night so 1 ingame day/night cycle whioch is 24 minutes. I took 4 minutes off incase others do it faster. So again my calculation still stands.

Not sure what's taking you so long to do it. Even when I first fought the event with my 1.2 endgame character, it never took me longer than 15 minutes to do the whole thing, including dying occasionally to the Solar Pillar.

Originally posted by Eddygeek18:

First i don't know what JRPG is. And no as above all the calculations where correct. Even if people are faster take 36 minutes off... So 4 hours. to get everything. After you already passed the end-game.

A JRPG is a Japanese Role Playing Game. Look it up if you'd like to know more.

Not only are your calculations not correct, but the game isn't designed for you to get every single endgame item quickly because you aren't supposed to get every single endgame item. The game is balanced around what the devs expect of the majority of their players, and for them it's fine. If you're going to be a completionist about it, then you should expect to spend additional hours getting everything. And, to be honest, 4 hours is not a bad completionist investment as far as games go.

Basically, the game is not a grind. It's only a grind if YOU decide to make it one.

[EddyNeave]

Originally posted by Over8001:

I don't think you know how math works.

Each run gets you, on average, 36 fragments from each pillar (since (60-12)/2+12=36). Thus, after 13.7 runs, you get 493.2 fragments of each kind. Take away 127 to craft everything you need to with it, and you get 366.2. 366.2/20=18.31 Celestial Sigils you can make with the leftovers, which is more than you will need even if you are an obsessive completionist who wants to fight the Moon Lord 17 times total. Even with your incorrect average of 27 fragments per pillar, it still would be more than you'd need just to fight the ML 17 times.

Yeah i have to stop you there. I know exactly how math works. I got great grades in math and i am a programmer. I know how it works. Also your wrong it's 24 on average for a normal world. that works out (60-12)/2 = 24. I don't know why your adding 12 at the end of it. you take away the 12 because you get 12 to 60 fragments. So you take the 12 away from 60 then divide by 2 to get the average. There is no adding the 12 back on. If you want to do it a different way you can do (12/2)-(60/2) which still is 24. So my math is perfectly correct. You sir are wrong. I worked out everything you would need all fragments and lumite bars. I also just did a full moonlord run and and yes it took me 21 minutes. so my estimate of 4 hours to get everything is correct.

p.s i don't want to get every single end-game item i want to get the important one. Tools, armours and the best weapon of each set. Not every item. The dyes and building blocks would be nice but not needed. Even then it's still around 3.5 hours without dyes and building material. I don't want the rare drops from moonlord. I have the portal gun which is cool, the portal summon and the meowmere, im happy with that.

EDIT: The only place i went wrong in my calculations is every ML kill doesn't take 21 minutes. Without doing pillars with a sigil it only takes 5 minutes (1 of my buffs is 5 minute duration and killing him uses the full time of that buff). So estimating now it will still take so 8.5 kills times 6 minutes is 51 minutes yound up to 60 minutes for prep and restocking. so 4.6 hours/2 + 1 That's still 3.3 hours. So to get everything i would like in the game thats everything excpect for dyes, and stuff like that will still take 3 hours. My calculation was wrong but not in the way you say it is.

Furthermore i have been coding for 10 years now. i know 6 programming languages, 3 of which i am fluent in and the others i can edit a program to do what i want. I know maths. (php,java,gml,sqf,c#, and lua)