Summoner question

[Gold♥Shield]

Would it be better to go with the Hercules Beetle and a Necromantic Scroll instead of combining them into the Papyrus Scroll? It seems the 10% off the Necromantic with the 15% on the Hercules should stack to 25% minion damage whereas the Papyrus only grants 15% minion damage. Or am I missing something?

[MrKl0nk]

As far as I know you can use all 3 at the same time

[prpl_mage]

I prefer to use necro scroll and scarab and skip the beetle. More minions usually beats a small percentage damage increase.

[Phelsarus'Beel]

Papyrus Scroll also gives 1 additional Minion. I personally use both the Papyrus Scroll the Necromantic Scroll and the Pygmin Necklace when going summoner since all these accessories give extra minions instead of just raw damage. Otherwise the usual suspects for accessories like Celestial Shell and some type of Wings (although for summoner it has to be Stardust just to match the set). For expert mode i tend to just add a Destroyer Emblem into the mix since it gives almost as much damage as the Hercules Beetle but does it for all damage types.

[Gold♥Shield]

Good to know. I thought the Necromantic didn't stack with the Papyrus. Looks like I should have kept some of my Necromantic, but this gives me a good reason to do some more Pumpkin Moon events. Thanks for the input.

I've been testing damage between Xeno and the Dragon to see which one is better in different situations. Thus far, the Xeno has completely trumped the Dragon on invasions whereas the Dragon turned all bosses I've thrown at it into wet cotton candy (it killed Golem in less than 8 seconds on average).

[Phelsarus'Beel]

Originally posted by Gold♥Shield:

Good to know. I thought the Necromantic didn't stack with the Papyrus. Looks like I should have kept some of my Necromantic, but this gives me a good reason to do some more Pumpkin Moon events. Thanks for the input.

I've been testing damage between Xeno and the Dragon to see which one is better in different situations. Thus far, the Xeno has completely trumped the Dragon on invasions whereas the Dragon turned all bosses I've thrown at it into wet cotton candy (it killed Golem in less than 8 seconds on average).

Yeah that's how i handle the Lunarevent although i switch out the Xeno for the Stardust Cells. Basicly 2 Casts of Dragon and the rest cells should take care of most invasions while a full dragon turns bosses into mince meat in a couple of seconds.

[Pixel Peeper]

I'm guessing that the "number of minions VS increased damage" issue depends on how much Defense the enemy has and the minion's type of attack (slow and strong VS fast and weak).

For slow/strong attacks, enemy Defense just doesn't matter all that much. Additional minions probably add more damage overall.

For fast/weak attacks, enemy Defense can murder your DPS. Dealing 10 damage to an enemy with 16 Defense (8 damage reduction) will decrease the damage to 2. Yet, in that situation, a +10% damage bonus (11 damage per hit instead of 10) will increase the final damage from 2 to 3, so a +10% damage bonus ends up yielding a +50% damage increase.

There's also the diminishing returns factor of additional minions. Getting from 2 to 3 minions increases your damage by 50%, but getting an 11th minion would increase your DPS by exactly 10%. Compared to that 11th minion, a damage accessory that gives +10% damage would (again, because of Defense) increase your DPS by more than 10% and would be preferable; and most damage accessories give much, much more than 10% anyway.

There's an ideal balance for every type of minion used and enemy fought, though it'd be crazy to do the math on everything every time.