Is it just me or does duke fishron seems abit too op

[Raptor]

i used rails to run away, gravity potions, best gear like all dodging gear with deadly megashark and i still cant beat that fu**er, he is too fast for me to dodge him, either i am a sucking noob or he is too strong like you can tell that on the YT videos he is alot slower...

[Raptor]

i would kill him with you but my internet sucks so il have do it by myself

[Raptor]

and also guys please relate to the normal mode not expert because i am currently douing normal

[The Last Helldiver™]

引用自 Unbekannter：

引用自 Bakoje：

well if you have higher dmg you need to dodge him less before killing him

You can have all the damage you want, but if he hits you a few times, and he typically will, then all that damage accounts for very little, unfortunately. I used to love the menacing root pre-1.3 but now, having played expert for ages, I just stick with warding, because stuff does far too much damage. If only there were boss banenrs! Hah

引用自 Tripoteur Ventripotent：

Decreasing your DPS is like giving the enemy more time and opportunities to damage and kill you.

That's where the skill part comes in, I guess. When you dodge and all that, but if and when you get hit, you don't get smoked so easily. But hey, if works for you; to me, it just seems like needless hassle, but I get the idea behind it, I just disagree. Perhaps it's more viable in non-expert.

@Unbekannter, nevermind that tripoteur guy. He's been on and off in expert only problems with bosses saying we should never use warding, but saying we should be defensive in others. Also he doesn't know what a star veil is or does.

As for the actual problem, if you're having issues with speed, get the minecart first if you want to go through that. If not, UFO is a great way to compensate. If you've built a bridge of sorts, i'd suggest scutlix instead (slightly faster, autodps when facing him)

As far as weaponry goes, chlorophyte is the way to go if you intend to go with ranged.

I'm available to help out if it doesn't work. Sucky internet can't beat skill.

[Pixel Peeper]

Cyriel is (unwisely, or perhaps masochistically) referring to this thread:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/105600/discussions/0/541907867770140682/

I assure you, my opinion is quite consistent. Defense loses value very quickly in Expert mode, and what Star Veil does is extend "mercy invincibility" duration which makes it entirely useless if you don't get hit twice in very, very quick succession.

Regardless of what mode you're in, the best strategy with Fishron is just to kill it quickly and be done with him. He's just not much of a threat unless you let him live.

[NotApplicable]

"Defense loses value very quickly in Expert mode" - To you, maybe, but I find defense highly useful from beginning TO END. It USED to be that defense wasn't very useful, but now it is very useful, particularly in expert mode. If you feel differently, that's fine. Guess we'll agree to disagree, as they say.

[The Last Helldiver™]

引用自 Tripoteur Ventripotent：

Cyriel is (unwisely, or perhaps masochistically) referring to this thread:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/105600/discussions/0/541907867770140682/

I assure you, my opinion is quite consistent. Defense loses value very quickly in Expert mode, and what Star Veil does is extend "mercy invincibility" duration which makes it entirely useless if you don't get hit twice in very, very quick succession.

Regardless of what mode you're in, the best strategy with Fishron is just to kill it quickly and be done with him. He's just not much of a threat unless you let him live.

Your ideology is "kill it before it kills you"

The general ideology of everyone else is the same, except your methods border on impossible unless you have studied this particular boss for hours (which let's be honest, no one has the first time around)

So in a futile attempt to try and get you the common sense needed to stop this weird stuff:

Without star veil you take 15 scary hits in 10 seconds time max.
With star veil you take 7 scary hits in 10 seconds time max.
With star veil and master ninja gear / black belt, you take 5 scary hits in 10 seconds time max.

What you want to do is dps that guy to death before your healing runs out.
What i want to do is make sure you don't die before your healing runs out.

The latter is more likely to happen. (about 58.8% more likely). Everyone else knows this too. You're one of maybe 4 people that doesn't know this.

Not getting hit repeatedly > doing damage. Getting hit repeatedly means you die. You dying means all those menacing and lucky accesories don't do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Pixel Peeper]

引用自 Unbekannter：

"Defense loses value very quickly in Expert mode" - To you, maybe, but I find defense highly useful from beginning TO END. It USED to be that defense wasn't very useful, but now it is very useful, particularly in expert mode. If you feel differently, that's fine. Guess we'll agree to disagree, as they say.

I don't think Defense is not useful, it's just that DPS contributes far, far more to survival, especially since it scales while Defense doesn't (and actually scales *down*).

I believe math would prove me right, but until someone bothers... indeed, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Pixel Peeper]

引用自 Cyriel Doodle：

So in a futile attempt to try and get you the common sense needed to stop this weird stuff:

Without star veil you take 15 scary hits in 10 seconds time max.
With star veil you take 7 scary hits in 10 seconds time max.
With star veil and master ninja gear / black belt, you take 5 scary hits in 10 seconds time max.

Not getting hit repeatedly > doing damage.

Yes, getting hit repeatedly *is* bad. I'm glad you noticed.

I suggest, when fighting bosses, that you press movement keys and/or the space bar on occasion. Maybe even try a combination of those keys. Believe it or not, this can entirely nullify the damage from the vast majority of the hits you would have taken if you had been standing completely still, as you've clearly been doing.

It's a little-known, very advanced technique some people in the business refer to as "dodging".

If you're not paraplegic, you'll even get hit less than once every 1.3 seconds, making the Star Veil's mercy invincibility duration increase *entirely useless*!

Mind-blowing, I know. Seriously, look it up. It's totally badass.

Edit: no wait, I take it back. Even if you'd been standing still, you wouldn't be getting hit that often. Let me rephrase my suggestion: when you press the keys, attempt to move *away* from enemies and their projectiles instead of desperately trying to move your character *into* them. Which is what you've really clearly been doing all this time given the numbers you cited.

15 hits in 10 seconds? WTF?

[The Last Helldiver™]

引用自 Tripoteur Ventripotent：

15 hits in 10 seconds? WTF?

I know right ?

Bosses that spam ♥♥♥♥ all over the screen giving you 0 room to dodge are plentiful. You want to shoot them with your fingers crossed hoping you don't get hit that much, but you don't want to prepare for a scenario where you do.

Beating bosses is a marathon game. Not a sprint. Defense > offense.

Oh and post 1 of OP thread:

引用自 Raptor-rex：

he is too fast for me to dodge him

Once you get all the stuff at the very end of the game post moonlord you need to do it your way, with full menacing and 0 defensive acc's, then sure. Right now it doesn't help. Didn't help in the other topics either.

[Celator]

Like others have said, don't use Megashark. Duke's defense will reduce its damage to almost nothing. Like Tripoteur said, Laser Machinegun is great, as are Bat Scepter or Chain Gun (with Chlorophyte bullets) if you've beaten the Pumpkin or Frost Moon.

引用自 Cyriel Doodle：

@Unbekannter, nevermind that tripoteur guy. He's been on and off in expert only problems with bosses saying we should never use warding, but saying we should be defensive in others. Also he doesn't know what a star veil is or does.

Yeah, and he's absolutely right. Ordinary defense is practically useless endgame and in expert, since 2 or 3 damage out of 100 is very little. By comparison, percentage damage reduction items like the Worm Scarf are much better. But even if that weren't the case, enemies in endgame and expert Terraria hit so hard that you aren't going to be tanking them much anyway, regardless of how much defense you have, so you're much better off stacking damage bonuses and mobility items so you can kill things faster. That's especially important in this fight, since Duke Fishron does such an obscene amount of damage that even in full Beetle Shell with all Warding he'll still do over 100 damage per hit in his second stage.

Here's a bit of math for you:
All Warding = 20 defense = 10 dmg reduction. 10 / 150 (Duke Fishron's damage in stage 2) = 0.06 repeating = 6.66%.
By comparison, the Worm Scarf gives a 17% damage reduction rate, almost three times as much as having all Warding accessories would give, and without using up a single reforge.
Also:
150 - (93 (Beetle armor w/ full Warding) / 2) = 150 - 46.5 = 103.5 damage.
500 / 103.5 = 4.83 = 5 hits before you die.
150 - (73 (Beetle armor w/out any Warding) / 2) = 150 - 36.5 = 113.5 damage.
500 / 113.5 = 4.41 = 5 hits before you die.

So basically, defense makes not a lick of difference in this fight. Whether you have full Warding or not, you still die in 5 hits. And that's with Beetle armor, so other classes should be considering trying to tank him even less.

[Celator]

引用自 Cyriel Doodle：

引用自 Tripoteur Ventripotent：

15 hits in 10 seconds? WTF?

I know right ?

Bosses that spam ♥♥♥♥ all over the screen giving you 0 room to dodge are plentiful. You want to shoot them with your fingers crossed hoping you don't get hit that much, but you don't want to prepare for a scenario where you do.

Have you ever considered the possibility of changing your loadout based on the situation?

For situations where you can't help but get hit, yeah, Star Veil is invaluable. However, Duke Fishron, and most other bosses for that matter, are not that situation. In fact, I can only think of two, and they both end in "Moon". For all other situations, Star Veil is useless because you won't (or shouldn't, anyway) be taking hits that rapidly.

[Raptor]

I DID IT!!!!! WOO HOO

[Pixel Peeper]

引用自 Raptor-rex：

I DID IT!!!!! WOO HOO

Haha, grats.

Hope you got the Typhoon or at least the Wings, but really, everything he drops is pretty decent.

[Raptor]

Hope you got the Typhoon or at least the Wings, but really, everything he drops is pretty decent. [/quote]

typhoon on the second kill ;), all i had to use was the UFO mount, beatle armor and the laser machene gun, with this setup it is redicilously easyer than when i he did like 120+ dmg on me without all of this things...

[Pixel Peeper]

Strange setup, but I suppose with the UFO and Laser Machinegun you could probably beat Fishron naked anyway!

2nd kill Typhoon, very nice.