Item Spawning is NOT cheating.

[Engine.ini]

While item spawning may be frowned at by many players...There is clear argument that this is not a method of cheating on PC Terraria. Most new players are compelled to earn everything they have, ensuring their world and character are "legit". While there is nothing wrong with this style of play...it actually hinders you in multiple ways.
1. You will never know if a player that has joined your world is also "legit"
2. You will never know if other people are "legit" on big servers.
3. You wll never be able to compete in PvP as many other players use item spawning.
4. It will take you forever to farm a true character build; ment for fighting on expert hardmode.
5. Most of the things you build will be made of stone or wood (boring stuff)

There are actual mechanics within the game that support item spawning.
these are:
1. spawning a boss multiple times to farm items.
2. making a heavily trapped arena to afk farm mobs (Skeleton or Crab engine)
3. making new worlds to loot the chests in the sky / water on the edge of maps to quickly gear up your character.
4. Making biomes to easily farm biome-specific drops.
5. Creating an obsidian generator

Just because you have items that you did not earn yourself does not make you a cheater on PC Terraria. The items will not put you in god mode. You will die, and you will die a lot in this game. The PC version of Terraia is clearly different from the other platforms. And should be treated as such.

Editing a Terra Blade for 999 dmg is cheating.

If you are one of those people that play this game in a "legit" fashion...I say to you this: Just give it time... eventually you will keep that item your friend gave you or make a PvP toon and experience that in its entire glory.

[stuffy]

AMEN BROTHA

[theuberspy]

Nope, whats the point of trying to kill a boss to get a sweet weapon when you just cheated that in? The only way that would be ok is if you are testing things out, or some kind of speedbuild. I hate people that spawn items in because they think they are so good because of it! I knew some people who have never killed the moon lord but cheated in his weapons and never bothered to kill it! "Cheaters never prosper"

[Engine.ini]

If you guys want to join a great server :
http://terraria-servers.com/server/551/

Anti Cheat script in place (I believe a modified version of Tshock)
Item Spawn with /i command
Server power awarded for donators and winners of events
and much more~
(no It is not my server ; i'm just a guest)

[Engine.ini]

Originally posted by notepadbatman:

Nope, whats the point of trying to kill a boss to get a sweet weapon when you just cheated that in? The only way that would be ok is if you are testing things out, or some kind of speedbuild. I hate people that spawn items in because they think they are so good because of it! I knew some people who have never killed the moon lord but cheated in his weapons and never bothered to kill it! "Cheaters never prosper"

I must re-emphasize these:
The items will not put you in god mode. You will die, and you will die a lot in this game. The PC version of Terraia is clearly different from the other platforms. And should be treated as such.

1. You will never know if a player that has joined your world is also "legit"
2. You will never know if other people are "legit" on big servers.
3. You wll never be able to compete in PvP as many other players use item spawning.

I assure you it is not an ego thing, we do not feel we are better than you. We are merely keeping up with the entire PC Terraria player base.

[wetsocklover]

congrats u found out somthing im impressed

[Engine.ini]

Originally posted by iBallisticfox:

congrats u found out somthing im impressed

plz quote who you are talking to?

[Jerln]

Isn't it cheating when you skip ahead in a game to get the best possible equipment before you're supposed to be able to? I mean, it won't make you invincible, but if you spawn in items then you've essentially skipped the entire game.

[theuberspy]

Originally posted by Aaron R.:

Originally posted by notepadbatman:

Nope, whats the point of trying to kill a boss to get a sweet weapon when you just cheated that in? The only way that would be ok is if you are testing things out, or some kind of speedbuild. I hate people that spawn items in because they think they are so good because of it! I knew some people who have never killed the moon lord but cheated in his weapons and never bothered to kill it! "Cheaters never prosper"

I must re-emphasize these:
The items will not put you in god mode. You will die, and you will die a lot in this game. The PC version of Terraia is clearly different from the other platforms. And should be treated as such.

1. You will never know if a player that has joined your world is also "legit"
2. You will never know if other people are "legit" on big servers.
3. You wll never be able to compete in PvP as many other players use item spawning.

I assure you it is not an ego thing, we do not feel we are better than you. We are merely keeping up with the entire PC Terraria player base.

If I were fighting Skeletron Prime and I cheated in solor armour with the Terrarian I would most likely take no damage and kill him fast so... Plus if your good in terraria you probly wont die much...

[Engine.ini]

Originally posted by Jerln:

Isn't it cheating when you skip ahead in a game to get the best possible equipment before you're supposed to be able to? I mean, it won't make you invincible, but if you spawn in items then you've essentially skipped the entire game.

This is true in a way... the game dosen't really start until hardmode. Most new players wont even know how to spawn items, thus forcing them to enjoy normal mode in their "legit" style. I think this is where most of the conflict comes into play.. I know that in general... people do not like change. I can see them honoring that style of play. Once these same people join other servers they will quickly realize their legit gear is outmatched. This leaves the player with 1 of 2 options to pick from.
1. Leave the game and go back to their single player world forever
2. Accept the server rules... spawn items and have fun in multiplayer with no worries at all.

Obviously I go with 2.

[Engine.ini]

Originally posted by notepadbatman:

Originally posted by Aaron R.:

I must re-emphasize these:
The items will not put you in god mode. You will die, and you will die a lot in this game. The PC version of Terraia is clearly different from the other platforms. And should be treated as such.

1. You will never know if a player that has joined your world is also "legit"
2. You will never know if other people are "legit" on big servers.
3. You wll never be able to compete in PvP as many other players use item spawning.

I assure you it is not an ego thing, we do not feel we are better than you. We are merely keeping up with the entire PC Terraria player base.

If I were fighting Skeletron Prime and I cheated in solor armour with the Terrarian I would most likely take no damage and kill him fast so... Plus if your good in terraria you probly wont die much...

just killed prime last night with my trap arena using tungsten armor and a copper sword. (yes spawned in that copper sword lol)

[Lambboni]

Originally posted by notepadbatman:

Originally posted by Aaron R.:

I must re-emphasize these:
The items will not put you in god mode. You will die, and you will die a lot in this game. The PC version of Terraia is clearly different from the other platforms. And should be treated as such.

1. You will never know if a player that has joined your world is also "legit"
2. You will never know if other people are "legit" on big servers.
3. You wll never be able to compete in PvP as many other players use item spawning.

I assure you it is not an ego thing, we do not feel we are better than you. We are merely keeping up with the entire PC Terraria player base.

If I were fighting Skeletron Prime and I cheated in solor armour with the Terrarian I would most likely take no damage and kill him fast so... Plus if your good in terraria you probly wont die much...

You're also talking about someone who does it in extremes. There's a difference between someone who cheats in overpowered items to go through the main game (in your reference), someone who spawns items for multiplayer purposes/ for funsies ( the OP, i think?), and someone like me, who dupes gold and boss spawn items so i can get the freaking warding buff on my stuff so I dont die left and right trying to fight a boss for the umpteenth time.

For reference, I know I'm not the best at this game, but at the same time, I've been through it "legit" enough times to have had most of my fun with "legit" characters.

[XTG_7Z ¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Why would you care if it's cheating or not? If I downloaded mods, I wouldn't mind spawning in myself some of the end game weapons & armor, or a ♥♥♥♥ ton of Plat coins to get all the modifers I want lol. Or be able to use an infite amount of building blocks w/o having to go and grab them.

[Drag]

I still disagree with the premise of this thread.



While it is true that even at endgame there are still limits imposed by the game and your equipment, the fact remains that part of the game is grinding like crazy to get an item. "Cheating" in an item only robs you of the experience and (depending on your perspective) enjoyment of playing the game. But on the other hand, if you are not like me and don't enjoy mass mob obliteration, then cheating in an item to remove the grind is entirely your choice.

Originally posted by Aaron R.:

While item spawning may be frowned at by many players...There is clear argument that this is not a method of cheating on PC Terraria. Most new players are compelled to earn everything they have, ensuring their world and character are "legit". While there is nothing wrong with this style of play...it actually hinders you in multiple ways.
1. You will never know if a player that has joined your world is also "legit"
2. You will never know if other people are "legit" on big servers.
3. You wll never be able to compete in PvP as many other players use item spawning.
4. It will take you forever to farm a true character build; ment for fighting on expert hardmode.
5. Most of the things you build will be made of stone or wood (boring stuff)

To these sets of statements, in my oppinion:
1. That is by definition. The internet will expose you to people from all walks of life, those who have actually sat down and wasted 500+ hours of their lives manually grinding mobs and worlds for items, those who set up afk traps to do it for them, and those who said "Nah, son," and just used an inventory editor.

2. Thus why I avoid big servers. More people mean that are more chances of at least one person having decided to break the rules and cheat in an item anyway.

3. "Never" and "hundreds of hours" are completely different words. I've never edited anything in, and yet I still have the same endgame limits as everyone else. While I don't have any actual PvP experience, in what way am I at a disadvange? If anything I have the advantage of the experience of grinding those items. As I've found through multiple playthroughs, the fact I've gone through the pain of manual progression has only made me better at the game; while my friend who did edit items in stuggled, I survived.

4. Again, "forever and "hundreds of hours" are different words. If you don't really enjoy the game enough to do a proper playthrough, you're robbing yourself of the experience the game's developers intended. The goal of a game, last I checked, was to enjoy yourself. If a $10 dollar game eats 500 hours of time, that's time I don't need to get fun out of another game, and thus more money. But again, it's your game and your time and money. If you want to edit in items to do so, that's your call.

5. Early game, yes. But as you progress, you can get more materials, make more blocks out of ores that are completely useless at your point of progression, and eventually rebuild your town from the boring materials to something more visually appealing. But that's also not required in the game. Nothing is, given that it's a sandbox with combat. My main world and base are still made of gray bricks and wooden walls, but now I'm out of new stuff to violently murder, I can get other materials for building purposes, should I decide to do so.

Originally posted by Aaron R.:

There are actual mechanics within the game that support item spawning.
these are:
1. spawning a boss multiple times to farm items.
2. making a heavily trapped arena to afk farm mobs
3. making new worlds to loot the chests in the sky / water on the edge of maps to quickly gear up your character.

And to these I reply:
1. Yes, grinding is part of the game, and in order to spawn the boss in repeadly, you need materials that are also ground to obtain. In many cases, doing so does not require ores or other items that are in finite quantity in your world.

2. Again, still grinding. Just in a less active way, aside from the building part. I personally don't use afk farms. I personally get my murder on, which I enjoy, and thus why I like the game.

3. More grinding, but this time it's something finitely available in a world. Sometimes worldgen isn't kind and you'll need to do this to find whatever item you wanted on a specific character.

Originally posted by Aaron R.:

The items will not put you in god mode. You will die, and you will die a lot in this game. The PC version of Terraia is clearly different from the other platforms. And should be treated as such.

These statements are mostly true, but not the entire story. Death, while it is a mechanic in this game, is not a game mechanic anywhere near as much as a game such as dark souls (or so I'm told.)

While you are new to the game and have no idea what the heck is going on, yes, you will die. But a skilled player (or tryhard, depending on your perspective) will learn from their mistakes, figure out effective counters to certain threats, and then address them properly.

A well balanced game grants players in-game tools and mechanics that can be used to address those threats. How those are used and how difficult it is to use use them vary by game. Unique gameplay stems from this: a game where you can't just go and brute force your way through everything tends to be more fun than running in and killing everything while barely trying.

Terraria puts you in a situation where dodging is part of your defense in combat. In most cases, figthing a boss with on-tier gear means that you can't just stand there and face-tank their attacks. This becomes more and more evident toward endgame.

Yes, you cannot go into god-mode with items. But at the same time, those items still make a difference, and when used correctly with skill, you can survive the game very easily.



TL;DR
Editing in items only robs you of the experience of playing the game. Doing this is entirely your decision.

How you behave after doing it is an entirely seperate subject.

[Ｄｕｃｋ]

Originally posted by Drag:

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You've restored my faith in the community, thank you.

[Drag]

Originally posted by Duck the Doge:

Originally posted by Drag:

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You've restored my faith in the community, thank you. :csdsmile:

No problem! Although I do have to be completely honest... the community is very much going downhill. The trick to be critical of the concept. Not the person saying it.

Oh, and also thanks for snipping out my wall of text. The WoF can suck it. This is the real way to start hardmode!