Optic Staff vs. Spider Staff [Expert Mode]

[Toxophilite [East]]

I assumed the Optic Staff would be the obvious upgrade for minions, but I'm not so sure anymore. The two seem fairly close in usefulness, and appear to just fit what you might be trying to do with the summon you choose outside of just being "better" in every way.

I'm thinking of going back to the Spider Staff, feeling as if my playstyle got a 'debuff' from the switch, maybe even considering summoning one of each via Bewitching Table. I don't know, there seemed to be 'one-too-many' instances where the Twins weren't attacking enemies, or only one of them were, or reacting slowly (or not at all), whereas I never had that problem with the Spider Pets; except on rare occasions when I was out of combat and suddenly thrown back into it.

What's your take on it?

[Pervy Sage]

with the spider armor the spider staff is buffed. optic staff is ok but i would stick with spider.

[vernicom]

spiders is best, for my opinion.

[Kascin]

The thing here is that Spiders do best in caves where they can easily get around tight spaces and climb background walls. The Twinions get stuck around blocks often and do better in the open, like on the surface. So it's kind of a matter of which situation calls for which minion. Or you could do what I do and have a variety of minions out, so that way my fighting is fairly balanced throughout.

[Toxophilite [East]]

引用自 Pervy Sage：

with the spider armor the spider staff is buffed. optic staff is ok but i would stick with spider.

Oh, I didn't know that~ was that something added with the updates or was it always like this?

引用自 vernicom：

spiders is best, for my opinion.

I think I agree with you.

引用自 Stardust Guardian：

The thing here is that Spiders do best in caves where they can easily get around tight spaces and climb background walls. The Twinions get stuck around blocks often and do better in the open, like on the surface. So it's kind of a matter of which situation calls for which minion. Or you could do what I do and have a variety of minions out, so that way my fighting is fairly balanced throughout.

Yeah, you make a good point. I think the problem with the Twins was that I was doing a ton of cavediving more then I was doing surface exploring. Also, the spider pets seemed to hold of the Derplings and the Foxbats in the jungle better IMO. I didn't know how dangerous those enemies were until the Twins showed me by not killing them fast enough, or at least keeping them in place.

I think I'll do some boss fights and see where the two summons stand for a bit more clearification on the matter, but thanks everyone for your input, I greatly apppreciate it! :3

[ZestyLimez]

Little late, but as a summoner fanatic, I'd have to say Twins work better for bosses that move around a lot. For multi-part bosses such as Plantera and Skeletron Prime, the spiders can get "stuck" on something irrelevant, like a plantera tentacle or the Prime Cannon. I presonally prefer using the Twins, since they allow for other players to hit the enemy, whereas spider minons completely lock down any damage.

[MrMeows]

Since there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer, I did some testing and found the following (with Hallowed Hood set):
Spider Staff deals 200-300 damage per second in a very small area. Its minions cannot jump more than 20 tiles high.
Optic Staff deals 100-200 damage per second to all enemies in its path. Its minions get stuck in tight passageways.
As a result, the Spider Staff is better in general, but the Optic Staff is better in certain situations, such as fighting Wyverns.

[Kascin]

Hey Toxy did you by chance once go by the name Wrong Hole? If my memory is messing up then don't mind me.

[Toxophilite [East]]

引用自 Kascin：

Hey Toxy did you by chance once go by the name Wrong Hole? If my memory is messing up then don't mind me.

Oh geeze, no! I remind you of a person who went by a name like that!? D:

[Kascin]

Sorry I just remember an old discussion involving the Optic Staff but maybe this wasn't it x)

[Zemecon]

It should probably be pointed out that each twin summoned by the Optic Staff does its own damage and you are summoning two of them at the same time so that damage you see for the staff should be doubled.

Spider minions can be useful in a number of areas like caverns underground but against most bosses that tend to move around in open space your best bet would probably be the Optic Staff. The twin minions will get snagged by blocks easily because they aren't really designed to be used in closed-in spaces. That's why you use the spider staff in closed-in spaces.

Overall, this doesn't need to be an either-or. You should consider hanging on to both staffs and using each of them in their intended environment.

[Shinden]

引用自 Kascin：

Hey Toxy did you by chance once go by the name Wrong Hole? If my memory is messing up then don't mind me.

that is an epic name