Why hardcore is not meant for Terraria

[nichpezo]

I understand that hardcore makes the game harder and will make you a better player, only problem I have is that hardcore Terraria seems way to punishing, there are so many scenarios which are 100% ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t, early hardmode, random boss spawns, and poisons and stuff. There is an argument that there are stratergies and things you can do to prevent these random deaths, like being really careful, teleporting home, leaving the game, etc, but what about new and casual players, Hardcore is not a choice for anybody who has played at least 200-300 hours. It will also take a really long time for the playthrough. Also it will be almost impossible to get a friend to play this game with you, especially if they are not as good as you, because if they die they will need all new stuff will be really annoying. For a hardcore player a lot of the skill they have is not even pure skill, it is knowledge on knowing what weapons is the best and how to cheese bosses, unless you have deaticated 2000 hours on the game doing specific classes playthough and challenges seems impossible. Hardcore makes it harder, but its requires full focus all the time and is crazy try hard. Yes you get bored from playing games, thats why were lucky there are so many of them, if you get bored, its time to play something else, its obvious that the hardcore players are bored as they are on the Terraria discussion the entire day and reply to everything and eachother all the time, to the point that people hate them.

There is a case for having mediumcore and that might be a debate, but even mediumcore has its problems. you might compare it too games like Minecraft and say that it works for them, but Minecraft has limited stages of progression. Early game, getting diamonds, Nether, End, post End, thats all you really have to do. While in Terraria you have first night, pre bosses, EoW, Skeletron, Wall of Flesh, Early hardmode, pre mech boseses, plantera, golem, lunatic cultist celestial event, moonlord, (i missed out on some things on both games but point stands the same), due to there being more stages of progressions dying in Terraria is more punishing then Minecraft, yes you can make backup armor to have ready in case you die, but this ♥♥♥♥ turns out to be very boring.

I aslo want to point out the game design that prevents harcore playing, Terraria is a fast paced game. Not in the beggining of the world, but the player speed increases and the projectices of the enemies as well. This works on some games but making you only have 1 life does not work. It makes the game require too much time, and as world generaton is random and etc it just does not work.

There is barely competition to the game, in games like csgo you can get 10000 k hours and you get something from it, high ranks, lots of skill and experience, and you can actually get money from drops and etc. Also these games are balanced, Terraria with 1 life would be one of the unbalanced things in Terraria, the discussion "yeah I have beat it" is invalid as any game that require more than 100 hours to complete is pushing it. Dark soulds, one of the hardest games, require 60 hours to complete. Terraria softcore requires 48 hours. Now imagine that 48 hours where if you make ONE mistake all is gone, that will never be a 48 hours, that will be 100+.

There are more points against hardcore which I dont want to mention as I dont have all day but these are some of those which I have to mention. If someone is going against me I want too see a player who have not devoted most of their time on the discussion page or less than 200 hours as any more only takes up a small percentage of the game and not enough people to justify their ways as better.

Edit: Wanted to add the point that trying hardcore is reccomended, but being excpected to play on hardcore or your bad is incorrect, not being perfect does not make you not good

Edit 2: hardcore should not be removed from the game as it has uses and there is a community supporting, but the idea that to be good at Terraria is to play on Hardcore is wrong and shaming people for playing softcore is stupid, you dont shame someone for having A's and not A+'s -Nilandros

Edit 3:
points that I want to adress

hardcore is not unbalanced, I beated it.

this statment is like a dark souls speedrunner saying the game is easy, yes for HIM it might be easy- You have 2000+ hours, not being able to do be really good at what you do in a game is not unexcpected, what is unexcpected is the standards they are setting for the community. There are some people that deny this but after looking at post made and things commented its clear these people really toxic-

Terraria is competitive

Terraria is barely competive, "the statment I had a competition with my friend" does not justify the game being competitive. That is not the game or a community, that is two people. A competition can be made of everything and just because there is a competition does not mean the game is a competitive game or have a competitive aspect. Exceptions being speedrunning, there is no competetive or community which requires hardcore, there are like 5 people who send 1000 of messages which a lot of the time comes out as annoying and toxic.

You can beat the games in less than 48 hours, even if bad, YES

obivously you can beat the game in less than 48 hours, even as a new player. but the average is about 48 hours. Just search it up. Looking at the people that did it faster than 48 hours is looking at the higher parts of the data., and determining an average in the higher parts of the set is incorrrect

Final message-this is not meant to say that people who has more hours are bad at the game because that is incorrect, but you dont have to play hardcore (a really unbalanced version of the game) to be good at the game, the games does not make enough competition which leads to this being a standard

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Exactly! People make the argument that vanilla gets boring so hardcore is good, first off hardcore isn't terrible and it's fine if people play it but shinden and ninshu-ex literally say that if you dont play hc your terrible and that you should play it if you have beaten normal mode (Basically saying you should do hardcore on your 2nd playthrough) hardcore is very hard and boring af for most people, and if vanilla is boring THERE IS MOD SUPPORT FOR FREE AND ITS EASY AF TO INSTALL MODS, so yeah anyone who tries to force hardcore on others is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb

[Dio Brando!]

just wait for shinden and ninshu to post something on this

[Spike_Bop]

Originally posted by Dio Brando!:

just wait for shinden and ninshu to post something on this

i know right

[Spike_Bop]

Originally posted by Seal and CT Hooker:

I understand that hardcore makes the game harder and will make you a better player, only problem I have is that hardcore Terraria seems way to punishing, there are so many scenarios which are 100% ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t, early hardmode, random boss spawns, and poisons and stuff. There is an argument that there are stratergies and things you can do to prevent these random deaths, like being really careful, teleporting home, leaving the game, etc, but what about new and casual players, Hardcore is not a choice for anybody who has played at least 200-300 hours. It will also take a really long time for the playthrough. Also it will be almost impossible to get a friend to play this game with you, especially if they are not as good as you, because if they die they will need all new stuff will be really annoying. For a hardcore player a lot of the skill they have is not even pure skill, it is knowledge on knowing what weapons is the best and how to cheese bosses, unless you have deaticated 2000 hours on the game doing specific classes playthough and challenges seems impossible. Hardcore makes it harder, but its requires full focus all the time and is crazy try hard. Yes you get bored from playing games, thats why were lucky there are so many of them, if you get bored, its time to play something else, its obvious that the hardcore players are bored as they are on the Terraria discussion the entire day and reply to everything and eachother all the time, to the point that people hate them.

There is a case for having mediumcore and that might be a debate, but even mediumcore has its problems. you might compare it too games like Minecraft and say that it works for them, but Minecraft has limited stages of progression. Early game, getting diamonds, Nether, End, post End, thats all you really have to do. While in Terraria you have first night, pre bosses, EoW, Skeletron, Wall of Flesh, Early hardmode, pre mech boseses, plantera, golem, lunatic cultist celestial event, moonlord, (i missed out on some things on both games but point stands the same), due to there being more stages of progressions dying in Terraria is more punishing then Minecraft, yes you can make backup armor to have ready in case you die, but this ♥♥♥♥ turns out to be very boring.

I aslo want to point out the game design that prevents harcore playing, Terraria is a fast paced game. Not in the beggining of the world, but the player speed increases and the projectices of the enemies as well. This works on some games but making you only have 1 life does not work. It makes the game require too much time, and as world generaton is random and etc it just does not work.

There is barely competition to the game, in games like csgo you can get 10000 k hours and you get something from it, high ranks, lots of skill and experience, and you can actually get money from drops and etc. Also these games are balanced, Terraria with 1 life would be one of the unbalanced things in Terraria, the discussion "yeah I have beat it" is invalid as any game that require more than 100 hours to complete is pushing it. Dark soulds, one of the hardest games, require 60 hours to complete. Terraria softcore requires 48 hours. Now imagine that 48 hours where if you make ONE mistake all is gone, that will never be a 48 min, that will be 100+.

There are more points against hardcore which I dont want to mention as I dont have all day but these are some of those which I have to mention. If someone is going against me I want too see a player who have not devoted most of their time on the discussion page or less than 200 hours as any more only takes up a small percentage of the game and not enough people to justify their ways as better.

Edit: Wanted to add the point that trying hardcore is reccomended, but being excpected to play on hardcore or your bad is incorrect, not being perfect does not make you not good

U genius

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There gonna be like "Your in denial your rookies noobs hardcore is the best gamemode, if you even touch normal mode after 5 hours of gameplay you are a noob, as soon as you beat eye of cthulu you should play hardcore"

[1.10e+25 Worms]

Careful there bud! You might anger the forum gremlins! The ones that prowl looking for any reason to start fights.

[KingsQuester]

Originally posted by Dio Brando!:

just wait for shinden and ninshu to post something on this

if those two dont come id be surprised never Seen them not Replying to some discussion ^^

[KingsQuester]

Originally posted by Pluto Z:

Exactly! People make the argument that vanilla gets boring so hardcore is good, first off hardcore isn't terrible and it's fine if people play it but shinden and ninshu-ex literally say that if you dont play hc your terrible and that you should play it if you have beaten normal mode (Basically saying you should do hardcore on your 2nd playthrough) hardcore is very hard and boring af for most people, and if vanilla is boring THERE IS MOD SUPPORT FOR FREE AND ITS EASY AF TO INSTALL MODS, so yeah anyone who tries to force hardcore on others is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb

If they want a challenge They Should try Calamity Mod now beating thats something Hard. Hardcores just lame

[Spike_Bop]

bets everyone how long beofre the EX dudes start a fight here
i bet 4 hours

[Zemecon]

I actually really like Hardcore. I would miss it if it was gone. It is very fun when you play custom Curseforge adventure maps where things are more unpredictable.

The *only* reason I would want to take Hardcore out of the vanilla game would be because of the divisions it creates. It makes people hate each other when Terraria's only purpose should be to let people have fun in any way they want.

Hardcore difficulty setting should be something you unlock when you beat the game with Mediumcore, which in turn should be unlocked when you beat the game in Softcore. So that everyone needs to play Softcore once and those who like Hardcore can still have that but they can't complain about new players playing Hardcore right away.

EDIT: Added a sentence and split first paragraph.

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Originally posted by Nilandros:

I actually really like Hardcore. I would miss it if it was gone. It is very fun when you play custom Curseforge adventure maps where things are more unpredictable.

The *only* reason I would want to take Hardcore out of the vanilla game would be because of the divisions it creates. It makes people hate each other when Terraria's only purpose should be to let people have fun in any way they want.

Hardcore difficulty setting should be something you unlock when you beat the game with Mediumcore, which in turn should be unlocked when you beat the game in Softcore. So that everyone needs to play Softcore once and those who like Hardcore can still have that but they can't complain about new players playing Hardcore right away.

EDIT: Added a sentence and split first paragraph.

Yeah hardcore is fine and It would suck if it would go because although I think it's unfair people do like playing that, and that's fine, but the ex's are trynna force people to play hardcore and tell anyone who doesn't play it that it's bad

[KingsQuester]

Originally posted by Nilandros:

I actually really like Hardcore. I would miss it if it was gone. It is very fun when you play custom Curseforge adventure maps where things are more unpredictable.

The *only* reason I would want to take Hardcore out of the vanilla game would be because of the divisions it creates. It makes people hate each other when Terraria's only purpose should be to let people have fun in any way they want.

Hardcore difficulty setting should be something you unlock when you beat the game with Mediumcore, which in turn should be unlocked when you beat the game in Softcore. So that everyone needs to play Softcore once and those who like Hardcore can still have that but they can't complain about new players playing Hardcore right away.

EDIT: Added a sentence and split first paragraph.

I have nothing against Hardcore Just against some of the Players of Hardcore

[Zemecon]

Yeah I hear you guys. It is a sad state of affairs that ruins what Hardcore was supposed to be about in the first place. A challenge for those who decide they *want* that challenge all on their own. Geez, I hate it when some people try to tell you how to think. We aren't automatons who can't think for ourselves.

Unlocking Mediumcore and Hardcore would be a much better idea, then, IMO. It puts us all on the same level for atleast one playthrough.

[Spike_Bop]

Originally posted by Nilandros:

Yeah I hear you guys. It is a sad state of affairs that ruins what Hardcore was supposed to be about in the first place. A challenge for those who decide they *want* that challenge all on their own. Geez, I hate it when some people try to tell you how to think. We aren't automatons who can't think for ourselves.

Unlocking Mediumcore and Hardcore would be a much better idea, then, IMO. It puts us all on the same level for atleast one playthrough.

OOOOOOOOOOOOH

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notice how shinden and ninshu are online and responded to a thread just now that was new (that i created as a troll thread) but there not responding to this 1