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Bullets or Arrows?
I'm at endgame now. I have just about everything except a few frostmoon items. I can't decide if I should use Chain Gun + Ichor Bullets, or Tsunami + Ichor Arrows? Also bear in mind chain gun has ammo preservation by default, but on the other hand, tsunami has Archer Potion and Magic Quiver on its side. What combination will yield the most DPS against the frostmoon mobs/bosses?
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Drag 2014 年 8 月 19 日 上午 9:36 
引用自 Chrono
Unless they die in one or two hits, defense is ALWAYS relevant.
Not exactly. Defense makes a bigger impact on faster+weaker hits than it does on slower+harder hits. I bet the ichor isn't enough to take something down from 3-4 hits anyways. That being said, if you really must use ichor, chain gun would be better. Lowering defense is effective no matter what, yes, but doing so for fast+weak hits is much more effective than slow+strong hits. If you really want to use arrows, then I suggest something other than ichor. Assuming the monster has 20 or more defense, you're only increasing your per-hit damage by 10, and will not be helped by any sort of damage multipliers you have, as defense is flat reduction. Holy arrows will deal 66 multiplied damage, and another 33 multiplied damage per star that hits, totalling for a possible of 132 multiplied damage. Ichor arrows will only deal 75 multiplied damage, and up to 10 unmultiplied damage depending on the enemy's defense. Nothing can increase this damage as defense is calculated last. Chlorophite dealing 76 multiplied damage to two targets. So while ichor arrows are the most reliable source of single target damage, holy are most definitely stronger.

Precisely. The effect of ichor causes the debuffed victim to take 10 extra damage per hit due to a defense drop of twenty. This synergizes with a chaingun pretty well, especially if you happen to be using crystal bullets and just switch to slap the target with ichor using magic.

The inherent lower rate of fire (or in this case, projectiles) from the tsunami won't benefit as much from 10 damage per hit. In exchange, the bow's high damage will punch holes into your enemies much faster.

As for the frost queen problem you've been mentioning, the chaingun tends to work much better on her with the high bullet velocity and large number of projectiles.
Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD 2014 年 8 月 19 日 上午 10:54 
引用自 Drag
The inherent lower rate of fire (or in this case, projectiles) from the tsunami won't benefit as much from 10 damage per hit. In exchange, the bow's high damage will punch holes into your enemies much faster.

Ah, I see your point. So for the sake of Ichor, bullets will naturally do better just by virtue of high attack rate.

Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely give it a shot. I know I could do the alternating-bullet trick, but it's a bit of hassle and takes up too much space (1 ichor after every 10 regular?), and I still don't like switching weapons back and forth.
Drag 2014 年 8 月 19 日 上午 11:22 
Ah, I see your point. So for the sake of Ichor, bullets will naturally do better just by virtue of high attack rate.

Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely give it a shot. I know I could do the alternating-bullet trick, but it's a bit of hassle and takes up too much space (1 ichor after every 10 regular?), and I still don't like switching weapons back and forth.

I feel your pain on the weapon swaps, although it's a smaller hassle than switching bullets. Ichor from the golden showers spell also lasts for a decent amount of time. If you're usign a chaingun with the rapid prefix and crystal bullets, you'll be able to do ridiculous damage to the point where you won't be able to see anything but a swarm of numbers.

Alternatively, if you happen to be in a multiplayer situation, you might also ask someone else to work the ichor, either as a mage or a melee class. Flasks of ichor work wonders on the frost moon. (Not so much for the pumpkin, tho as the two bosses there are immune to ichor and nearly everythign else is weak enough to not really need it.)

Oh, and since you're going as a ranged class, I'd reccomend you actually use the set bonus on your shroomite. It'll let you get to wave 4 pretty quckly and half kill the first everscream without needing to move, assuming you have a clear line of fire to the mobs.
Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD 2014 年 8 月 19 日 上午 11:56 
引用自 Drag
multiplayer situation
Sorry but with multiplayer, I don't really feel the need for strategy, since bosses don't get much harder, and everyone can use every strategy at once. Especially for Events, you're already doubling your dps.

引用自 Drag
Oh, and since you're going as a ranged class, I'd reccomend you actually use the set bonus on your shroomite. It'll let you get to wave 4 pretty quckly and half kill the first everscream without needing to move, assuming you have a clear line of fire to the mobs.
I mostly use traps for that.
最后由 Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 19 日 上午 11:56
ok new question: how about candy corn rifle? Wiki says it has better dps than star cannon, however the arcing may prove problematic against Snow Queen...Speaking of Star Cannon, I have like three whole stacks of Fallen Stars...
Drag 2014 年 8 月 19 日 下午 4:05 
Star cannon sucks for the moons. The candy corn rifle's only real use is the fact that it can pierce quite a few times, allowing you mow down grouped weaker enemies with ease.
引用自 Drag
The candy corn rifle's only real use is the fact that it can pierce quite a few times, allowing you mow down grouped weaker enemies with ease.
I'll bear that in mind, but I think I might need to rearrange my arena for maximum ricochet.
Drag 2014 年 8 月 19 日 下午 4:38 
The candy corn rifle works pretty well for itself in a flat area, I can tell you that much.

But like I said, you'll find its main use is just htiting more than one grouped enemy. You could do the same thing with fancy arrows or even meteor shots with the gun. Explosions could also punish closely grouped enemies, but more often than not you'll be more worried about the overgrown tree, the genocidially isnane robot Santa Clause tank, and the really cold giant flying woman.
Retrolicious 2014 年 8 月 19 日 下午 4:46 
引用自 IG Shad
Tsunami + Holy arrows = GG Moon events. Why use ichor when a literal rain of stars kill everything in sight?

holy arrows are crap vs ice queens and they are the dangerous part of frost moon events
holy arrows are cute vs minions but dont kill bosses fast enough imo
Retrolicious 2014 年 8 月 19 日 下午 4:50 
引用自 Chrono
Unless they die in one or two hits, defense is ALWAYS relevant.
Not exactly. Defense makes a bigger impact on faster+weaker hits than it does on slower+harder hits. I bet the ichor isn't enough to take something down from 3-4 hits anyways. That being said, if you really must use ichor, chain gun would be better. Lowering defense is effective no matter what, yes, but doing so for fast+weak hits is much more effective than slow+strong hits. If you really want to use arrows, then I suggest something other than ichor. Assuming the monster has 20 or more defense, you're only increasing your per-hit damage by 10, and will not be helped by any sort of damage multipliers you have, as defense is flat reduction. Holy arrows will deal 66 multiplied damage, and another 33 multiplied damage per star that hits, totalling for a possible of 132 multiplied damage. Ichor arrows will only deal 75 multiplied damage, and up to 10 unmultiplied damage depending on the enemy's defense. Nothing can increase this damage as defense is calculated last. Chlorophite dealing 76 multiplied damage to two targets. So while ichor arrows are the most reliable source of single target damage, holy are most definitely stronger.

You are wrong in so many layers. I dont even want to list all of em. Beeing close mindend and thinking there are only 2 effective arrows types is baffling. I restate holy arrows are only good vs many low life enemys like minions in invasion for all other content look for other arrows !
Drag 2014 年 8 月 19 日 下午 5:21 
引用自 reel Sam
You are wrong in so many layers. I dont even want to list all of em. Beeing close mindend and thinking there are only 2 effective arrows types is baffling. I restate holy arrows are only good vs many low life enemys like minions in invasion for all other content look for other arrows !

At what point was Chrono saying there were only two kinds of arrows were effective? Furthermore, why should other content matter if the original poster was specifically asking about the moon events? The post you're quoting is also from quite some time ago, much further back than when you first posted your position on holy arrows. Your restatement does nothing.
eh even with every buff imaginable and the chain gun w/shroomite w/ichor bullets, I still can't get past wave 13. I hope I don't have to mess with my arena a whole lot, or cheese it with the horseman's blade...
Employee 427 (已封禁) 2014 年 8 月 19 日 下午 6:52 
Chlorophyte arrows. They bounce around SO much.
Chlorophyte arrows. They bounce around SO much.
they bounce ONCE. And do far less damage than venom, ichor, holy, or even cursed arrows if you account for the status effects.
Unicarn (已封禁) 2014 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:13 
Chlorophyte arrows. They bounce around SO much.
NEVER use them on Tsunami. It causes your Tsunami to deal 80% less damage because only one of the arrows can hit. Ichor increases damage on the first hit by 40 and then 50 on the next shots.
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