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I finally got the Obsidian Rose after killing 100 Fire Imps
Freaking finally! Why the hell was it such a grind? At least 100 isn't that high compared to the 350+ horror stories I've just read on Reddit and the other forums.
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Mosterd May 21, 2021 @ 10:17am 
i started playing skyblock map and i got it literly on first kill lol. ironicly on skyblock map u dont have the goblin XD
Mosterd May 21, 2021 @ 10:17am 
so it was pretty much useless
Mosterd May 21, 2021 @ 10:18am 
getting life crystals from golden ore titatinium crates that's horror at its finest
wcc May 21, 2021 @ 10:44am 
100 doesn't strike me as very much for a 2% drop chance.

Apart from that, the Obsidian Rose is heavily overrated. The only reason to get it is for the Terraspark Boots achievement.
Disliker of Lag May 21, 2021 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by wcc:
100 doesn't strike me as very much for a 2% drop chance.

Apart from that, the Obsidian Rose is heavily overrated. The only reason to get it is for the Terraspark Boots achievement.

The reason why I got the rose is because the Terraspark Boots is a beast of an accessory...? Also the Imp is an uncommon enemy. Even with Battle Potions and Water Candles they still just appeared every now and then.
Last edited by Disliker of Lag; May 22, 2021 @ 9:13am
wcc May 21, 2021 @ 3:28pm 
Imo its heavily overrated, like the Ankh or the Celestial Shell. Many feats doesn't mean automatically it's a useful item.
What do these boots deliver? Walking on ice, water and lava and the capability of short lava diving. Most of that could can also be achieved by potions - but there's little need for those things at all the time you got your hands on the boots. Short immunity to lava - that's almost only important one time - to mine Hellstone ores - and even here I'ld choose single Obsidian Potion, giving me minutes of immunity instead of seconds, every day.
So all what remains is a nice speed boost. They're a bit better than Amphibian Boots, but you're jumping slower in comparison (which is more imporantant for doding) and all the wings to come will render the plain movement speed neglectable. If there's a need to run fast, there're plenty of mounts or minecarts. Of course you can combine them with wings for a slight range boost, but in the end you've got to spend a precious accessory slot for an item which offers slight mobility boosts (even with trade-offs compared to Amphibian Boots) and lots of effects which are neglectable.
I don't want to be the party pooper, but I remember how glad I was when I managed to get them and that ended up actually never using them. ;)
Swoss Chez May 21, 2021 @ 3:35pm 
Wait what. i've killed 1300 fire imps and still havent gotten an obsidian rose.
Hedning May 21, 2021 @ 3:51pm 
Originally posted by wcc:
Imo its heavily overrated, like the Ankh or the Celestial Shell.
Lol, a normal mode player.

Lava immunity is important any time your are in the lower part of caverns where lava is. It gives you so much more freedom to move and dig, and escape from enemies. Water walking is always useful because you get slowed in water and in the ice biome you get chilled slowing you down even when you get back up. Also you can't swim in water without special gear but with water walking you can stand on top forever. It's free platforms wherever water or lava is. Who talks about the speed or extended flight? No one cares about that. The reason to get them is so that everything below the surface gets easier to navigate, which is most of the map.

The celestial shells is just 2% less damage than avenger emblem but has 2% crit and has a lot of other bonuses as well. And it's not even hard to get, so why wouldn't you? How much time isn't 15% mining speed increase going to save you through the rest of the game if you plan to build your world for example?

As for the ankh charm it's perhaps too much effort to farm for, but status effects is what kills so it's definitely not overrated. Getting cursed so you can't use any items or weapons, confused when trying to dodge a high damage enemy, poisoned in the jungle so you never get to heal are just some examples of how you can die.
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wcc May 22, 2021 @ 2:42am 
Originally posted by Hedning:
Originally posted by wcc:
Imo its heavily overrated, like the Ankh or the Celestial Shell.
Lol, a normal mode player.

Lava immunity is important any time your are in the lower part of caverns where lava is. It gives you so much more freedom to move and dig, and escape from enemies. Water walking is always useful because you get slowed in water and in the ice biome you get chilled slowing you down even when you get back up. Also you can't swim in water without special gear but with water walking you can stand on top forever. It's free platforms wherever water or lava is. Who talks about the speed or extended flight? No one cares about that. The reason to get them is so that everything below the surface gets easier to navigate, which is most of the map.

The celestial shells is just 2% less damage than avenger emblem but has 2% crit and has a lot of other bonuses as well. And it's not even hard to get, so why wouldn't you? How much time isn't 15% mining speed increase going to save you through the rest of the game if you plan to build your world for example?

As for the ankh charm it's perhaps too much effort to farm for, but status effects is what kills so it's definitely not overrated. Getting cursed so you can't use any items or weapons, confused when trying to dodge a high damage enemy, poisoned in the jungle so you never get to heal are just some examples of how you can die.
All the arguments you're listing would work fine if HM required you to actually do that ... you know, exploring caves, digging a lot etc. At the beginning of normal mode I'ld gladly take those boots. But by the times you get them, the situations where you can actually make use of them are limited, and there all lots of common potions for those situational needs which don't require an Accessory Slot.

Ofc if I had a Lava Charm and was to mine Titanium/Adamantite, I might consider to use it. But maybe I'ld prefer something more useful for that slot and rely on an Obsidian Potion (additionally to a Miner's Potion and a Spelunker Potion) even then.

Regarding the Celestial Shell: It's not useless, but more ore less on par with an Emblem - you trade slightly higher damage and a slight regen bost and 4 def. It's not bad, but not that powerful either. Yes, I know, the mining speed. But once you've got the Shell, how much is there left do dig, where bombs and a Mining Potion aren't enough?

I'ld say the only important stats are speed and flight range, because that's what can make a difference in boss fights. But the boosts provided by Terraspark Boots aren't that huge anyway, so it's not worth chasing for them.

The Ankh is useful in some particlar situations, but in this situations you can just equip a Bezoar, a Nazar, a Cobalt Shield/Frozen Shield. You probably won't wear the Ankh the whole time either. In my experience you'll stumple upon all required ingredients anyway, so there's nothing wrong with crafting it. But I would activily farm for it and wouldn't actually miss.
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Hedning May 22, 2021 @ 3:39am 
So your argument is basically since you don't have to play the game and can skip a lot of it that means the boots that makes 70% of the map easier to navigate useless?

Making and bringing and refreshing lots of different potions is a major hassle when you can just use one accessory instead. You seriously are going around with no boots? Otherwise if you have boots anyway they don't even take up an extra slot. What do you consider more important?

Also take any random lets play on youtube and count the amount of deaths to bosses compared to deaths to regular mobs. I recently watched this: https://youtu.be/srPiRnt0E1k
Most deaths are not to bosses, so no, the most important accessories are not the ones that makes flight better.

Let's just look at a concrete example of the best situation for your case: Here I'm fighting Skeletron prime. Obviosulsy nowhere near lava and above ground where flight matters and in my piggy bank is swiftness potions and I even have sunflowers below. This means the boots doesn't even give me higher top running speed: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2474449580
Now tell me 2 accessories I must have that I am missing. 1 to replace my crappy band of regen that is just filler because it had a good reforge, and one that would replace my boots. Should I really be so concerned about this fight that I never even make the boots in the first place? Try to make that make sense to me.
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wcc May 22, 2021 @ 4:23am 
Originally posted by Hedning:
So your argument is basically since you don't have to play the game and can skip a lot of it that means the boots that makes 70% of the map easier to navigate useless?
No. My argument is that at the times you get the boots the gameplay has changed from exploration and digging to farming, fighting, grinding and arena preparation.
Making and bringing and refreshing lots of different potions is a major hassle when you can just use one accessory instead. You seriously are going around with no boots? Otherwise if you have boots anyway they don't even take up an extra slot. What do you consider more important?
Yes, on my latest playthrough I did not really use boots in Hardmode. i kept Amphibian Boots ready in a vanity slot though - they are helpful vs Crimson/Hallowed Mimics for example, even more than Terraspark Boots. I relied on wings, an early RoD and mounts for everyday mobility.
Also take any random lets play on youtube and count the amount of deaths to bosses compared to deaths to regular mobs. I recently watched this: https://youtu.be/srPiRnt0E1k
Most deaths are not to bosses, so no, the most important accessories are not the ones that makes flight better.
I don't know where to start to explain why this isn't proofing anything tbh. Just two of multiple aspects: 1) How many of those deaths wouldn't have happened with Terraspark Boots? 2) Deaths vs ordinary mobs are mostly caused by sloppiness, while deaths vs bosses are mostly a matter of skill - it's easier to play a bit less sloppy then getting better. Bosses are the gatekeepers of game progress, not the ordinary enemy. There's more, but I don't really want to follow this way of arguing since I don't see it leading to anywhere.
Let's just look at a concrete example of the best situation for your case: Here I'm fighting Skeletron prime. Obviosulsy nowhere near lava and above ground where flight matters and in my piggy bank is swiftness potions and I even have sunflowers below. This means the boots doesn't even give me higher top running speed: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2474449580
Now tell me 2 accessories I must have that I am missing. 1 to replace my crappy band of regen that is just filler because it had a good reforge, and one that would replace my boots. Should I really be so concerned about this fight that I never even make the boots in the first place? Try to make that make sense to me.
Well, Amphibian Boots for faster jumping, a Ranger Emblem, a Brain of Confusion (we both know it's available in a Corruption world, right?), a Cross Necklace, a Panic Necklace come to my mind instantaniously. And you're playing the most minimalist setup imo, with any other style (like with a bow or magic) there are even more useful accessories.
Hedning May 22, 2021 @ 6:55am 
Originally posted by wcc:
I relied on...an early RoD
Not sure if I should stop you right there. The RoD is a super rare drop that most people will never get. Do you always farm for it or why when talking about a regular accessory like boots are we bringing in very uncommon playthroughs where we get the super rare item?

My point wasn't that terraspark boots would have prevented all those deaths (neither could you say that any of your replacements would have prevented a boss death). My point is simply that people spend more time underground than flying around bosses. Bosses are the icing on top, not the majority of the game. And bosses are not harder than the rest of the game. You say people die underground because they are sloppy, and that's true, but you have to take into account that it is much harder to be 100% concentrated for hours playing the game than just the few minutes fighting a boss. That's normal and so we should acknowledge this reality when picking gear to go for.

So are you list listing all "better" accessories there? Because you can't fit all 5 so all 5 can't be must have, or do you think I have more things I should take off? I asked for "must have" the same way I consider the boots "must have" underground. Is the panic necklace really a game changer for Skeletron the same way the boots are for underground exploration and farming?
wcc May 22, 2021 @ 7:27am 
Originally posted by Hedning:
Originally posted by wcc:
I relied on...an early RoD
Not sure if I should stop you right there. The RoD is a super rare drop that most people will never get. Do you always farm for it or why when talking about a regular accessory like boots are we bringing in very uncommon playthroughs where we get the super rare item?
For me the RoD is always one of the first items to farm for and I think it's - in opposite to the Terraspark boots - an item which becomes more and more helpful throughout the game. But I was just listing stuff which came to my mind. Feel free to exclude that from the list - it wasn't meant to be comprehensive or restrictive but merely served illustrating purposes. And yes, I missed boots from time to time, but really not enough to sacrifice an accessory slot for them.
My point wasn't that terraspark boots would have prevented all those deaths (neither could you say that any of your replacements would have prevented a boss death). My point is simply that people spend more time underground than flying around bosses. Bosses are the icing on top, not the majority of the game. And bosses are not harder than the rest of the game. You say people die underground because they are sloppy, and that's true, but you have to take into account that it is much harder to be 100% concentrated for hours playing the game than just the few minutes fighting a boss. That's normal and so we should acknowledge this reality when picking gear to go for.
Maybe we should clarify the scenario we're talking about. I don't have a hardcore run in mind because I figure that's not what the thread opener is doing neither what most players do in general. So a single death is okay to happen from time to time, and given the low percentage of deaths caused by falling into lava or water etc. these boots just have limited use, maybe even less use then the Amphibian Boots.

I mean, if I would have the desire to use some boots for exploration and you would offer me Terraspark Boots, I wouldn't decline and say "naah, me want other boots!", but I had both in my chest I would choose the Amphibian Boots (if any) most of the times, maybe except the one time when I plan mine the tier 3 HM ores. If any, because as I said, I'ld prefer other items anyway for standard use.

And again, let's keep in mind at which point you get the Terraspark Boots. There's no need for random explorations in Hardmode. Generally, when you are under ground you know exactly where to go and what to do there. You probably have built plenty of shortcuts like tunnels, shafts and tracks, and set up pylons, and you only revisit places you have seen already.

I have to disagree, bosses are harder then the rest of the game, especially when you don't play hardcore. If you have some trouble with exploration, resort to tunnels, place walls, and press forward systematic and cautiously ,,, or just come back later. If you're stuggling vs damn Skeletron Prime but have all the gear available at this time in your hands, you're in trouble. You have got to train, to build another arena, to min-max your stats to get the slight edge. Sacrificing the ability to walk on ice would be my very first thing to do.
So are you list listing all "better" accessories there? Because you can't fit all 5 so all 5 can't be must have, or do you think I have more things I should take off? I asked for "must have" the same way I consider the boots "must have" underground. Is the panic necklace really a game changer for Skeletron the same way the boots are for underground exploration and farming?
I'm just listing examples coming to my mind which I see as worthing replacements for the boots and the regen ring. And I would say the Panic Necklace can make hell of difference vs Skeletron Prime. Not so much when exploring, but that's another topic I've addressed above. I wouldn't carry the Panic Necklace when I'm not fighting a boss, but the Terraspark Boots neither.
Last edited by wcc; May 22, 2021 @ 7:32am
Hedning May 22, 2021 @ 11:16am 
You will get no argument from me that RoD is one of the best items in the game, way better than the boots, but it is a very rare drop. The effort in getting it is greater than for any other item in the game. I just don't think it is fair to assume you have it.

Anyway it's not just death. I agree we are not talking just hardcore. But even a classic character suffers from death in that it drops your coins, makes you wait several seconds and teleports you away from where you were. Even disregarding death though if you get damaged you may want to stop and heal rather than continuing. It's not fun doing nothing. The same with the ice biome. Getting slowed in icy water is annoying, like a pause on your game. Crashing through the thin ice is just a minor annoyance, but it is an annoyance. With the boots your movement flows much more gracefully. It's the ease of navigation. Amphibian boots aren't going to help you cross a lava lake. If you can swim through lava then the caves are more open. Less mining needed. Free loot can be found in the lava all the time since mobs fall in and die in it. With the boots you don't have to sacrifice health to get it. There is no way you will accomplish anything underground faster with amphibian boots than I will with terraspark.
Last edited by Hedning; May 22, 2021 @ 11:17am
Hedning May 22, 2021 @ 11:28am 
Also you talk about "no need". You said the same for the shell. Yes, there is no need, but maybe you want to build stuff in different locations, like npc houses and fishing spots. Maybe you want to stop the corruption. Your first golem may drop the hatchet, and since it is guaranteed to drop beetle armor you are completely set to fight cultist, pillar and moon lord immediately. But maybe you don't want to. The last npc is post golem. Post golem you have access to most blocks in the game to build beautiful things with. Maybe you want to do some of that.

Maybe you want to get some gear you're missing. In early hardmode I go around getting crystals for my megashark. Queen slime summon also spawns there. Of course she is optional and "not needed", but does that mean the's not part of the game? Part of what you probably want to do? There's more to the game than rushing bosses. We are not talking just hardcore, but we are also not talking about speed running.
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