Summon Hardmode

[Alg The Doggo]

Does anyone know the best summon staffs to get in hardmode? I don’t really know what to get after 1.4 came out.

[HaphazardlyLad]

in early hardomde pre mech bosses i recommend spider staff crafted form spider fangs or kill a dreadnautiluz by fishing in a blood moon and you will get a powerful summon after mech bosses probably use optic staff after plantera use either terraprisma or raven staff after golem get the ufo summon after the stardust pillar get the dragon and thats it also terraprisma droppes from empress of light during daytime also sorry for bad english

[Smetrix]

Spider staff is the first to get (then the rest in order)

Then the Blade Staff

Optic Staff

Perhaps the Sanguine Blood staff if you’re up for a challenge

Pygmy Staff

Desert Tiger Staff

Deadly Sphere Staff

Xeno Staff

Tempest Staff

Raven Staff

Then you can skip the Stardust Staffs and go for the Terraprisma, be warned though, you will die A LOT

[theworld]

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Perhaps the Sanguine Blood staff if you’re up for a challenge

What is the challenge tho?

[theworld]

You've listed most of the hardmode staves when OP asked for the best, LMAO.

The best are:

1)Spider: Big damage jump from pre-HM staves and you can prepare the farming spot for it pre-HM.

2)Blade: Slime queen is trivial with just a straight railroad track for the 2nd phase.

3)Sanguine: Prepare Bloody Tears pre-HM. Proper Arena is a huge rectangle of water in the Ocean (It's also the best arena for Fishron). With Shark Mount it's possible to outrun the Dreadnautilus' charge, just care not to stray too far to despawn it.

4)Terraprisma: This takes practice to understand her patterns, look up "catplayer empress" on Youtube for a decent guide.

5)Stardust Dragon is slightly better vs Moon Lord than Terraprisma if you want to stay on the same screen as him.

[Sisal]

Originally posted by TheWorld:

Originally posted by Smetrix:

Perhaps the Sanguine Blood staff if you’re up for a challenge

What is the challenge tho?

The new Bloodmoon fishing boss.

[theworld]

Well played.

[Smetrix]

Originally posted by TheWorld:

It's a challenge only if you are challenged.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/challenged

The challenge is

A) Getting a blood moon to happen

B) Actually getting it to spawn while fishing

And C) fighting it, which at least in Expert was a real pain

Also I gave a list of what will get you through hardmode, and the ones I listed are the best IN ORDER.

[theworld]

What order, LMAO.

Pygmy is useless if you are not on the ground.

Tempest is only any good on Events where projectile piercing is desirable, otherwise it performs very poorly vs bosses since it does not track their movements with projectiles, so most of its shots miss.

This immediately disqualifies them from being better than Sanguine outside of events or carefully constructed farming areas.

Deadly Sphere does not start the attack on anything farther than approx. 60% of the screen from your character, leading to a potentially very significant DPS loss compared to Sanguine.

Raven is somewhat similar to the Deadly Sphere in this regard.

[theworld]

Originally posted by Smetrix:

The challenge is

A) Getting a blood moon to happen

B) Actually getting it to spawn while fishing

And C) fighting it, which at least in Expert was a real pain

Also I gave a list of what will get you through hardmode, and the ones I listed are the best IN ORDER.

A)Bloody Tears can be stacked pre-HM. No challenge.

B)Chum Caster and Sonar potions be stacked pre-HM. No challenge.

C)Does this look like a hard "arena" to build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVl1c6a6xc

No challenge.

[gedmo]

the sanguine staff! literrally the best hardmode weapon. as a summoner, you can get it at the very start of hardmode, use it for the mech bosses, plantera, and the daytime empress of light! it is LITERALLY the only summon you need in hardmode other than the terraprisma

[Smetrix]

Originally posted by TheWorld:

What order, LMAO.

Pygmy is useless if you are not on the ground.

Tempest is only any good on Events where projectile piercing is desirable, otherwise it performs very poorly vs bosses since it does not track their movements with projectiles, so most of its shots miss.

This immediately disqualifies them from being better than Sanguine outside of events or carefully constructed farming areas.

Deadly Sphere does not start the attack on anything farther than approx. 60% of the screen from your character, leading to a potentially very significant DPS loss compared to Sanguine.

Raven is somewhat similar to the Deadly Sphere in this regard.

The order that you get them, bruv, and from the amount of damage they output. The Sanguine Bat Staff has a slower use time, and therefore does less DPS than the Pygmy Staff.

Raven Staff is much better than the deadly sphere because it does more damage. Xeno staff would be better in some situations, like against fast moving enemies due to its ability to teleport to enemies.

Never said it was worse, it’s better for certain situations like flying bosses, but for anything outside of that the Pygmy Staff is a step up, then the other staffs as well. OP didn’t say the best for bosses, so I gave a general list.

[Smetrix]

Originally posted by TheWorld:

Originally posted by Smetrix:

The challenge is

A) Getting a blood moon to happen

B) Actually getting it to spawn while fishing

And C) fighting it, which at least in Expert was a real pain

Also I gave a list of what will get you through hardmode, and the ones I listed are the best IN ORDER.

A)Bloody Tears can be stacked pre-HM. No challenge.

B)Chum Caster and Sonar potions be stacked pre-HM. No challenge.

C)Does this look like a hard "arena" to build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVl1c6a6xc

No challenge.

All subject (outside of building an arena, which I at no point refuted) to RNG, which can be challenging. Not everybody is a raging elitist, so chill lmao

[theworld]

Saying something is RNG is not enough to call something challenging.

You will go through multiple natural Blood Moons pre-HM if you are not speedrunning.

For example, the Blood Zombie has 1% to drop Bloody Tear.

But is it actually a challenging enemy? Nobody but the challenged would argue in good faith that it is.

Are 100 Blood Zombies challenging for a late pre-HM character? Not at all, especially not with banners.

And Blood Zombie's just one mob. Drippler's an arguably even easier mob if you use something like Whips or Flamelash.

Bride and Groom are rare, but have 20% chance to drop.

Zombie Merman and Wandering Eye Fish could actually be described as challenging, but only if you do not have the tools (Hook, Shield of Cthulhu) and a simple arena to outrange the Merman or if you do not know the WEF's attack pattern yet.

Again, "rare" does not equal "challenging".

You've failed to prove anything challenging about farming Bloody Tears, thus leaving you no options but the last resort of engaging in personal attacks like "raging elitist", LMAO.

[Smetrix]

Originally posted by TheWorld:

Saying something is RNG is not enough to call something challenging.

You will go through multiple natural Blood Moons pre-HM if you are not speedrunning.

For example, the Blood Zombie has 1% to drop Bloody Tear.

But is it actually a challenging enemy? Nobody but the challenged would argue in good faith that it is.

Are 100 Blood Zombies challenging for a late pre-HM character? Not at all, especially not with banners.

And Blood Zombie's just one mob. Drippler's an arguably even easier mob if you use something like Whips or Flamelash.

Bride and Groom are rare, but have 20% chance to drop.

Zombie Merman and Wandering Eye Fish could actually be described as challenging, but only if you do not have the tools (Hook, Shield of Cthulhu) and a simple arena to outrange the Merman or if you do not know the WEF's attack pattern yet.

Again, "rare" does not equal "challenging".

You've failed to prove anything challenging about farming Bloody Tears, thus leaving you no options but the last resort of engaging in personal attacks like "raging elitist", LMAO.

Semantics my friend, I use the term “challenging” in a different sense, I had the impression that the OP is not the greatest player at the game. Hence why waiting for blood moons and fishing can be a challenge for some people who do not have infinite patience.

Originally posted by TheWorld:

It's a challenge only if you are challenged.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/challenged

I was simply trying to help the OP, you were being rude, only thought it was fair since you insulted me a few pages up lol.

[Kascin]

Spider stuff has been the first step in Hardmode for a Summoner for years now.
After that, you can either kill Queen Slime and get the Blade Staff, or use the Spiders and Firecracker to wreck Dreadnautilus (he might be a wall if you've never faced him though). He'll drop the Sanguine Staff which can carry you through most of Hardmode.
With the Sanguine Bats you can grind Pumpkin Moons for Spooky armor. After that you can either go for the Pillars and get the Stardust Dragon Staff, or challenge daytime Empress of Light for the Terraprisma, the most reliable summon weapon.
Or get the Stardust Dragon, then the Terraprisma.
Really it's all up to you, just have fun.