journeys end is disappointing

[obama]

master mode is just expert with more enemy hp and damage, 'rewards' are trash
summoner still sucks before hardmode. thanks for giving him a bunch of garbage weapons that are a pain in the ♥♥♥ to get and not even worth it, and no armor, really helpful.
summoner still sucks even in hardmode, because minion ai is still garbage. but hey, at least you can get a decent summoner weapon by beating a boss ripped out of hollow knight, it's allegedly bullethell, but mostly kills you by contact damage after teleporting inside you. oh and you have to do it during the time it 1shots you, unlike every other class.
there's now a hallow tier summoner armor, but no chlorophyte tier armor, why?
whips just make you a discount melee, except you get the least armor of all classes. why do you hate summoners, relogic?
lunar event is still lazy filler padding, doesn't even drop fragment for each player in MP, why?
moonlord still doesnt drop enough ore for an armor set, why?
travelling merchant has new weapons and yet in 130+ hours of playing I only managed to buy 2 bad zapinators.
bestiary is unhelpful. who's actually going to ever kill 50 of those rare enemies? why does it show boss loot bags, but not their contents, which would be infinitely more helpful?
reward for 100% bestiary completion is an.... inferior teleporter? why???
tavernkeeper's inventory gets overriden by pylons he sells
bloodmoon fishing is just like old ones army - not worth doing at any point in progression, because the enemies are way too strong, rewards are bad and have an abysmally low drop rate.
why can't we carry any accessories in vanity slots anymore? just to make me pull out a piggy bank every time I need to fish?
martian saucer dropped 7 xenopoppers in a row, as did a bunch of other bosses. why can't you fix boss drops so this doesn't happen?
advertised to add thousands of items, but most of them turned out to be furniture, not weapons or armor, which is rather disappointing.

there have been a lot of good changes and additions, but overall, a lot of issues from older versions remain, with new ones on top. I wouldn't be so upset by it, if it wasn't THE FINAL update. I highly doubt they will fix any of this.

tldr ranger is the only playable class in master mode

[Salty]

It's absolutely multiplayer lag then. I've never seen the empress of light teleport her through all my attempts of getting the terraprisma on master mode. I play singleplayer.

[obama]

yes, probably. Ive seen similar thing with the bee boss or the eye, can't remember, where they would teleport inside the player non stop

[Jostabeere]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

you should go easy on insults. she doesnt 'dash', but literally teleports. it could be a multiplayer lag issue or something else. the fact you dont know this shows you havent fought this boss as much as I have.

It is hard to understand between your raging.
Even if he misunderstood you and said dash instead of teleport, everything else is 100% correct. It is you constantly flying above her and getting shred. If you fought her as much as you claim and still didn't learn a simple move,

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Salty:

you're dumb.

[Salty]

Yeah it's definently lag then. The only bosses that teleport are the ML (when you run too far), The Lunatic Cultist, and the Brain of Cthulu.

[obama]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

you should go easy on insults. she doesnt 'dash', but literally teleports. it could be a multiplayer lag issue or something else. the fact you dont know this shows you havent fought this boss as much as I have.

It is hard to understand between your raging.
Even if he misunderstood you and said dash instead of teleport, everything else is 100% correct. It is you constantly flying above her and getting shred. If you fought her as much as you claim and still didn't learn a simple move,

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Salty:

you're dumb.

why are you so angry?

[obama]

I dont believe you understand what 'angry' means
perhaps you could explain what I 'fail to see or understand', but I expect another toxic troll response

[JtDarth]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

I dont believe you understand what 'angry' means
perhaps you could explain what I 'fail to see or understand', but I expect another toxic troll response

Literally every complaint you have, aside from the one about the boss loot bags in the bestiary, is a result of your own ignorance or failure to think things through, yet you went on the forums to make a rage post. You then proceeded to argue with more knowledgeable players when they explained things to you.

The only one here 'angry' is you.

[obama]

dont bother posting if all youre gonna do is make personal attacks against me, while making generally dismissive statements about my observations, instead of participating in an actual discussion

[JtDarth]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

dont bother posting if all youre gonna do is make personal attacks against me, while making generally dismissive statements about my observations, instead of participating in an actual discussion

Haven't made a personal attack. Nor have I made dismissive statements about your observations. I simply commented that your observations are inaccurate because you didn't stop to consider the whys and wherefores. That the conclusions you reached come from a place of ignorance.

Given your responses to other users, you yourself are the one who doesn't want to participate in an actual discussion. Every time someone disagrees with you, you either dismiss them out of hand, argue against a point that was never put forward, or try to shout them down. It's an established pattern here.

[Jostabeere]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

I dont believe you understand what 'angry' means
perhaps you could explain what I 'fail to see or understand', but I expect another toxic troll response

You can command the AI, you probably didn't know this.

The new boss, as said, doesn't kill you by teleporting inside you.

16 summoner armor sets, 16 melee armor sets, 15 or 16 magic armor sets, 15 ranged sets, yet you cry about summoners having the least armor sets of all classes.

Noone ever claimed you are supposed to get 1 full set from 1 ML kill. You've beaten him once with pre-ML gear, do it again. You have enough fragments for a Sigil.

Simply do not believe you that the travelling merchant only appeared two times and both times had the "extremely rare" item. Simply BS.

You don't need 50 kills to know what mobs drop.

Because they drop bags in Master/Expert, not the item.

If you ignore OOA and Bloodmoon, you are simply bad and cut yourself off of really good armor sets and gear in pre-hardmode.

Inferior teleporter is BS because it is superior to other pylons.

because they are not extra accessory slots. They are vanity slots and were fixed to be vanity slots.

Fix drops? You get one item at random. hardly doubt you got 7 Xenopopper in a row.

Quite a big amount of weapons and armors were added.

=== Equipment and Items ===
* Added the [[Zenith]], the ultimate sword, a celebration of your journey, from beginning to end.
* Added the [[Celebration MK2]] to Moon Lord’s loot pool, an improved replacement version of [[Celebration]], which is now sold by the [[Party Girl]] after defeating [[Golem]].
* Added the [[Super Star Shooter]], a hardmode [[Star Cannon]].
* Added an entirely new class of Summoner weapons, [[Whip|Whips]].
* Added the Hallowed Summoner Helmet.
* Added over a dozen new accessory tinkers.
*Added the [[Step Stool]].
* Added special crafting recipes which can only be made in the presence of the Ecto Mist of Graveyards.
* Several NPCs will now sell special wares when they are in a [[Graveyard]].
* (Re)-added the [[Zapinator]], and now comes in two color variants.
* Added a couple music instruments with basic musical functionality, and added some control over the pitch of [[The Axe]]’s sound.
* Added several “Amber” items to match other [[Gems|Gem]] crafting recipes.
* Added [[Finch Staff]] and several other new summon weapons.
* Added several new Rocket variants.
* Added [[Wings|Fledgling Wings]].
* (Re)-added the [[Luminite Drills|Lunar Drills]], which are now rebalanced to offer pros and cons compared to the Lunar Pickaxes.
* Added [[Dirt Bomb]]s and Sticky Dirt Bombs.
* Added [[Tungsten Bullet]], so Tungsten worlds can craft their ammo too.
* Added [[Sergeant United Shield]].
* Added [[Jousting Lance]]s.
* Added several other new swords.
* Added a variety of kites.
* Added over 50 new food and drink items to the game.
* Added Paper Airplanes.
* Added 9 new items to Underground Desert loot.
** Added [[Storm Spear]].
** Added [[Dunerider Boots]].
** Added [[Snake Charmer's Flute]].
** Added [[Ancient Chisel]].
* Added [[Football|Footballs]].
* And many more weapons, accessories, and other useful tools!
* Golf Related Equipment:
** Added several types of [[Golf Clubs]] for different purposes, coming in several different visual varieties.
** Added [[Golf Balls]] in different colors.
** Added [[Golf Tee]] and [[Golf Cup]].
** Added [[Golf Whistle]].
** Added [[Country Club set|Country Club Vanity outfit]].
** Added Golf Chest.
** Added [[Golf Cart Keys|Golf Cart Mount]].
** Added [[Golf Trophies]].
** Added several Golf Paintings.
** Added a [[Lawnmower]] and the ability to mow grass to prevent tall grass from growing back (for better golfing, of course)
** Added [[Arrow Signs]], that can have the arrow pointed in different directions.

=== Vanity Outfits, Pets, and Mounts ===
* Added over a dozen new [[vanity]] outfits.
* Added several new hair and hat based vanity items.
* Added several animal ear and tail vanity items.
* Added several new vanity accessories.
* Added three new dyes.
* Added two dozen new hairstyles.
* Added the last of the [[Developer items|Developer]] vanity sets.
* Added more than ten new [[pets]].
* Added more than ten new [[mounts]].
* Added [[Minecarp]], [[Digging Molecart]] and many other vanity Minecart variants.


Claims a lot of issues were left in and new added yet doesn't have time to list any of these so anyone knoww what to fix. Placebo "hurr durr so meny ishshues I think they are in ze geym but I don'tz list eny!"


I guess after just scraping at your ragepost and providing facts about how wrong you are you still gonna call me a troll.

I spend way too much time since it won't change ignorance a bit.

[obama]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JtDarth:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

dont bother posting if all youre gonna do is make personal attacks against me, while making generally dismissive statements about my observations, instead of participating in an actual discussion

Haven't made a personal attack. Nor have I made dismissive statements about your observations. I simply commented that your observations are inaccurate because you didn't stop to consider the whys and wherefores. That the conclusions you reached come from a place of ignorance.

Ive considered the whys and the conclusion I came to is re-logic simply didn't put enough effort into fixing the game or they havent played their own game enough to see just how tedious and obnoxious some of these things are. Care to explain to me how my conclusion is wrong?

[Jostabeere]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JtDarth:

Haven't made a personal attack. Nor have I made dismissive statements about your observations. I simply commented that your observations are inaccurate because you didn't stop to consider the whys and wherefores. That the conclusions you reached come from a place of ignorance.

Ive considered the whys and the conclusion I came to is re-logic simply didn't put enough effort into fixing the game or they havent played their own game enough to see just how tedious and obnoxious some of these things are. Care to explain to me how my conclusion is wrong?

And your conclusion is wrong because your opinions on things are either wrong or lack informations or are simply biased opinions with false arguments.

[JtDarth]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JtDarth:

Haven't made a personal attack. Nor have I made dismissive statements about your observations. I simply commented that your observations are inaccurate because you didn't stop to consider the whys and wherefores. That the conclusions you reached come from a place of ignorance.

Ive considered the whys and the conclusion I came to is re-logic simply didn't put enough effort into fixing the game or they havent played their own game enough to see just how tedious and obnoxious some of these things are. Care to explain to me how my conclusion is wrong?

Because it comes from a place of personal bias, not objective fact. Your personal impressions of things do not make an accurate conclusion, especially when they are warped by how you want/choose to see things, as opposed to how things actually are.
It's very clear that your statements come solely from personal bias and not actual fact.

[obama]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von obama:

I dont believe you understand what 'angry' means
perhaps you could explain what I 'fail to see or understand', but I expect another toxic troll response

16 summoner armor sets, 16 melee armor sets, 15 or 16 magic armor sets, 15 ranged sets, yet you cry about summoners having the least armor sets of all classes.

I never said they get the least armor sets. I said they don't get a chlorophyte-tier armor, which they dont. And summoners are extremely reliant on armor to give them minion capacity. Their only pre-hardmode armor set is bee armor.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

Noone ever claimed you are supposed to get 1 full set from 1 ML kill. You've beaten him once with pre-ML gear, do it again. You have enough fragments for a Sigil.

why would I want to do that? It is tedious and boring grind. And no, you don't always have enough fragment because you spend them to craft weapons and because of the unnecessary random variance of fragment drops.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

Simply do not believe you that the travelling merchant only appeared two times and both times had the "extremely rare" item. Simply BS.

that is not what I meant either and it should be rather obvious. what I actually meant is of the 5 or so new weapons they have added, in 130 hours I was only able to purchase 2, at the stages they weren't worth using. all the other times the merchant showed up he didn't sell anything special.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

You don't need 50 kills to know what mobs drop.

you have to get 50 kills to unlock the whole entry for most enemies and its not a feasible thing to do.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

Because they drop bags in Master/Expert, not the item.

wow, you really opened my eyes, I couldnt have possibly figured that one out! (sarcasm) whats the point? would it be so hard to make it show whats inside, so it's actually helpful?

these last two points illustrate that bestiary was more of an afterthought

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

If you ignore OOA and Bloodmoon, you are simply bad and cut yourself off of really good armor sets and gear in pre-hardmode.

I didnt say I ignore bloodmoon. I said bloodmoon fishing isn't worth it, because of abysmal drop rates, enemies that are way too powerful and not fun to fight and the items being mediocre at best. Blood moon drops themselves are fine. OOA takes too long to get through and isn't fun because of filler waves that have no rewards, but are also too easy. You also need to have enough dps to beat it, which I don't remember ever having in all my previous playthroughs.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

Inferior teleporter is BS because it is superior to other pylons.

here my point was that universal pylon is a bad reward. you have to kill every single enemy in the game, including every boss, corrupt critters, halloween/christmas enemies. it's a lot of grind and all you get is a pylon thats a little better than other pylons. pylons are nice in the early game as a means of teleporting, but by that point you can easily just buy teleporters from steampunker and set up better teleporters that dont stop working when theres a boss fight or an event and dont need to have npcs around to function.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

because they are not extra accessory slots. They are vanity slots and were fixed to be vanity slots.

yeah, vanity slots were vanity slots before, the fact they could hold items made them slightly more useful and inventory management slightly less tedious. I see absolutely no point in this change.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

Fix drops? You get one item at random. hardly doubt you got 7 Xenopopper in a row.

I did. There is no need for the item drops to be completely random. They could randomize the order the items drop in and drop them that way, or keep track of duplicate drops. There are also cases when you need just 1 item, but it takes more than 10 boss kills to get it, which is also extremely tedious.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jostabeere:

Quite a big amount of weapons and armors were added.

=== Equipment and Items ===
* Added the [[Zenith]], the ultimate sword, a celebration of your journey, from beginning to end.
* Added the [[Celebration MK2]] to Moon Lord’s loot pool, an improved replacement version of [[Celebration]], which is now sold by the [[Party Girl]] after defeating [[Golem]].
* Added the [[Super Star Shooter]], a hardmode [[Star Cannon]].
* Added an entirely new class of Summoner weapons, [[Whip|Whips]].
* Added the Hallowed Summoner Helmet.
* Added over a dozen new accessory tinkers.
*Added the [[Step Stool]].
* Added special crafting recipes which can only be made in the presence of the Ecto Mist of Graveyards.
* Several NPCs will now sell special wares when they are in a [[Graveyard]].
* (Re)-added the [[Zapinator]], and now comes in two color variants.
* Added a couple music instruments with basic musical functionality, and added some control over the pitch of [[The Axe]]’s sound.
* Added several “Amber” items to match other [[Gems|Gem]] crafting recipes.
* Added [[Finch Staff]] and several other new summon weapons.
* Added several new Rocket variants.
* Added [[Wings|Fledgling Wings]].
* (Re)-added the [[Luminite Drills|Lunar Drills]], which are now rebalanced to offer pros and cons compared to the Lunar Pickaxes.
* Added [[Dirt Bomb]]s and Sticky Dirt Bombs.
* Added [[Tungsten Bullet]], so Tungsten worlds can craft their ammo too.
* Added [[Sergeant United Shield]].
* Added [[Jousting Lance]]s.
* Added several other new swords.
* Added a variety of kites.
* Added over 50 new food and drink items to the game.
* Added Paper Airplanes.
* Added 9 new items to Underground Desert loot.
** Added [[Storm Spear]].
** Added [[Dunerider Boots]].
** Added [[Snake Charmer's Flute]].
** Added [[Ancient Chisel]].
* Added [[Football|Footballs]].
* And many more weapons, accessories, and other useful tools!
* Golf Related Equipment:
** Added several types of [[Golf Clubs]] for different purposes, coming in several different visual varieties.
** Added [[Golf Balls]] in different colors.
** Added [[Golf Tee]] and [[Golf Cup]].
** Added [[Golf Whistle]].
** Added [[Country Club set|Country Club Vanity outfit]].
** Added Golf Chest.
** Added [[Golf Cart Keys|Golf Cart Mount]].
** Added [[Golf Trophies]].
** Added several Golf Paintings.
** Added a [[Lawnmower]] and the ability to mow grass to prevent tall grass from growing back (for better golfing, of course)
** Added [[Arrow Signs]], that can have the arrow pointed in different directions.

=== Vanity Outfits, Pets, and Mounts ===
* Added over a dozen new [[vanity]] outfits.
* Added several new hair and hat based vanity items.
* Added several animal ear and tail vanity items.
* Added several new vanity accessories.
* Added three new dyes.
* Added two dozen new hairstyles.
* Added the last of the [[Developer items|Developer]] vanity sets.
* Added more than ten new [[pets]].
* Added more than ten new [[mounts]].
* Added [[Minecarp]], [[Digging Molecart]] and many other vanity Minecart variants.

that isn't a big amount at all, most things on that list aren't weapons nor armor.
there were 2 armors that have been added that I remember: assassin armor from the slime boss and hallow summoner helmet.
most of the weapons they've added are either sold by the travelling merchant, which are unreliable to get, are end-game and therefore don't fix the one of the biggest issues with the game - inconsistencies in power progression of some classes at various stages of the game. there's also a lot of niche weapons that don't feel useful.

[SgtPineBox]

you just angered an entire community who have been waiting for 5 years for this update