What's the point of fixing liquid generators?

[SquarelyCircle]

They were fun.

[Andy]

Escrito originalmente por FF406FANIMAL MOTHER DK:

Escrito originalmente por Andy:

you can have endless buckets... they just fixed a issue with the game,

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Bottomless_Water_Bucket

and you still have options for this...

That does not fix the problem of all other liquids. It was a dumb change and needs revered.

you have a lava endless bucket too

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Bottomless_Lava_Bucket

only one that u don't have a option for this is the honey (aparently theres some things related to bombs to make honey now.

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Non-renewable_Resources

would be better to fix the non-renewable resources to be infinite in some mechanic or way, than bring the exploits back.

[Nonotorious]

Gotta love the replies that are just like but theres a late game item that you can use blah blah blah.
What about the obsidian block farms or the honey block farms?
Pumps are just basically deleting liquids now making pumps utterly useless, there much 'easier' ways of getting rid of water now.

[Andy]

Escrito originalmente por Nonotorious:

Gotta love the replies that are just like but theres a late game item that you can use blah blah blah.
What about the obsidian block farms or the honey block farms?
Pumps are just basically deleting liquids now making pumps utterly useless, there much 'easier' ways of getting rid of water now.

you use the pumps to move large amount of water to the places you want, makes you be creative to make you fishing places more reasons to use the pump now.

[Nonotorious]

Escrito originalmente por Andy:

Escrito originalmente por Nonotorious:

Gotta love the replies that are just like but theres a late game item that you can use blah blah blah.
What about the obsidian block farms or the honey block farms?
Pumps are just basically deleting liquids now making pumps utterly useless, there much 'easier' ways of getting rid of water now.

you use the pumps to move large amount of water to the places you want, makes you be creative to make you fishing places more reasons to use the pump now.

What even? You think im gonna wire up pumps to gather water just for a fishing hole?
And what about the honey blocks etc?

[Andy]

Escrito originalmente por Nonotorious:

Escrito originalmente por Andy:

you use the pumps to move large amount of water to the places you want, makes you be creative to make you fishing places more reasons to use the pump now.

What even? You think im gonna wire up pumps to gather water just for a fishing hole?
And what about the honey blocks etc?

that honey thing is a issue with the resource not being infinite.....

with is something we may want fixed not only the honey, but if possible all the resources to have a way to have the world sustentable/renewable.

tho aparently honey is also infinite i was wrong before.. >> https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Honey_Bomb

dirt is also renewable now, with makes mud renewable too etc.

[DaBa]

So in the end, people are complaining about devs removing a bug and adding in game methods of accomplishing exactly the same thing. Literally a non-issue. Why are we even engaging with this pointless debate?

[SquarelyCircle]

Escrito originalmente por DaBa:

So in the end, people are complaining about devs removing a bug and adding in game methods of accomplishing exactly the same thing. Literally a non-issue. Why are we even engaging with this pointless debate?

It was unrealistic, but whether it was a bug or a feature is an opinion.

GIVEN that there are methods for generating large quantities of most liquids (honey included)... why did they have to remove the cool wiring way of doing it? The fact that pumps could do this was actually one of my favorite aspects of this game. It made me excited to unlock the engineer, and I would always rush and make pools of liquids after doing so, just because it was so exciting. Wiring felt like magic.

With all resources, you have the option of creating a new world and going to gather it, so nothing is really a limited resource.

All they've done is removed one way that people have fun with their game. It's not like it was absurdly OP. It was just cool. So... was their goal to have fun or not? Because if fun was the goal, they've reduced it for me.

I literally played with someone the other night who (after hundreds of hours) will probably never log back into Terraria after they discovered that pumps don't do this. It was an important part of the gameplay to them: creating beautiful endless pools of water in elaborate structures. You can say there are other ways to do it... but that's what they (and I) had fun with.

[Menez]

Well... now we have the bottomless buckets

[Jackal84]

@Andy, so how do i get liquid generation pre-hardmode?

Your bucket solution is only hardmode worlds

[Suspicious Mister Guy]

Escrito originalmente por DaBa:

So in the end, people are complaining about devs removing a bug and adding in game methods of accomplishing exactly the same thing. Literally a non-issue. Why are we even engaging with this pointless debate?

People are gonna complain about literally anything lmao. Like 1/5 threads here are all complaining about something that was changed (often for the better if you ask me.) Like people complaining about how progression is harder to skip, or complaining about their favorite OP weapon being nerfed (despite them also buffing a bunch of other weapons so the game is overall far more balanced.) or complaining about NPC happiness or whatever else they personally have found a distaste for.

Because obviously it's impossible to do anything with a video game that makes everyone happy. People like different things so just about everyone can find something to complain about if they try. But most of the time it's just whining about something that isn't a problem. (Exceptions being things like the torch luck mechanic, which was an actual problem most people had that the devs ended up fixing.)

[Shurenai]

Escrito originalmente por JacobD88:

@Andy, so how do i get liquid generation pre-hardmode?

Your bucket solution is only hardmode worlds

The infinite buckets aren't locked behind hardmode. Or at least the lava one isn't.

You can fish in lava now prehardmode by crafting a lava-proof bugnet from a bugnet and 15 hellstone bars; which you can use to catch the bait flying around in hell (I think you can use the golden bug net as well) -- The hell bait functions in lava regardless of the fishing rod you're using, enabling you to catch lava fish, and obsidian crates- And one of the rewards from the obsidian crate is a lava proof fishing hook accessory which lets you use any bait with any fishing rod in lava. Using either the hell bait or the fishing hook you can fish till you get the bottomless lava bucket.

[Jackal84]

Sadly the bottomless water bucket is hardmode only

The bottomless lava bucket is rare via fishing

There is no solution as yet for unlimited honey without again waiting till hardmode and abusing rockets

I'm more annoyed with re-logic going "We will not fix this" when discussion on the issue arose with 1.3

Then going back on that with 1.4 and not even including it in the changelog

[Andy]

Escrito originalmente por JacobD88:

@Andy, so how do i get liquid generation pre-hardmode?

Your bucket solution is only hardmode worlds

Only solution I know is this
https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Obsidian_Crate you get wet bombs to generate water other than that pump is the best way to transfer water yet I don't know if there's other ways.

There's honey and lava variants as well.

[Nonotorious]

Escrito originalmente por Andy (sem pc):

Escrito originalmente por JacobD88:

@Andy, so how do i get liquid generation pre-hardmode?

Your bucket solution is only hardmode worlds

Only solution I know is this
https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Obsidian_Crate you get wet bombs to generate water other than that pump is the best way to transfer water yet I don't know if there's other ways.

There's honey and lava variants as well.

And where are the water bombs? I've been looking for them and according to the wiki the demo sells them ONLY WHEN YOU THEM IN YOUR INV.
So how tf do you get them? not that im even remotely excited about having to make a million bombs just to make a lake and then have to spend possibly hours throwing them instead of just taking 5-10 mintues to make a generator that i can turn on and then go do something else.

[Rainbowsaur]

Escrito originalmente por Jinkaru:

Well, there is the Bottomless Water Bucket you can fish up.

Really? Hell yeah.
edit* ... 1 in 70 from hardmode fishing quests, damn thats steep.