bows

[Inky]

why the heck are bows so underpowered in post moonlord? ok moonlord drops 2 guns but no bows, martian saucer drops 2 magic weapons, a summon weapon, a melee weapon, and 2 guns but no bows!!!!!!!

[robert]

you ever looked at those bows?
get the phantasm its better than all of them

[Inky]

Originally posted by robert:

you ever looked at those bows?
get the phantasm its better than all of them

i have it

[Inky]

Originally posted by robert:

you ever looked at those bows?
get the phantasm its better than all of them

my class is bow so duh ive seen it

[Rhyhei]

Can I ask why would the moonlord need to drop a bow when you have already 4 end-games bows?

You have:
The Phantasm - Made from vortex fragments
The Tsunami - Dropped by Duke Fishron
The Pulse Bow - Selled by the Traveller Merchant
The Aereal Bane - Dropped by Betsy

Now let's compare with the Guns:
The Tactical Shotgun/Xenopopper - The first drop from Tactical skeletons in the Dungeon / The
second drops form the Martian Saucer
The SDMG - Drops From Moon Lord
The Sniper Rifle - Drops from Snipers skeletons in the Dungeon

For Last let's see the Launchers:
The Rocket Launcher - Drops from Commando skeletons From the Dungeon
The Electrosphere Launcher - Drops from the Martian Saucer
The Celebration - Drops from Moon Lord

Yep I don't see why Moon Lord need to drop a Bow when there are more End-game Bows than other Rangers weapons

P.D:I don't add the Chain gun nor Vortex blaster in the guns because the SDMG replace them as your full auto End Game-Gun once obtained

[Inky]

Originally posted by Alpha-Gamer:

Can I ask why would the moonlord need to drop a bow when you have already 4 end-games bows?

You have:
The Phantasm - Made from vortex fragments
The Tsunami - Dropped by Duke Fishron
The Pulse Bow - Selled by the Traveller Merchant
The Aereal Bane - Dropped by Betsy

Now let's compare with the Guns:
The Tactical Shotgun/Xenopopper - The first drop from Tactical skeletons in the Dungeon / The
second drops form the Martian Saucer
The SDMG - Drops From Moon Lord
The Sniper Rifle - Drops from Snipers skeletons in the Dungeon

For Last let's see the Launchers:
The Rocket Launcher - Drops from Commando skeletons From the Dungeon
The Electrosphere Launcher - Drops from the Martian Saucer
The Celebration - Drops from Moon Lord

Yep I don't see why Moon Lord need to drop a Bow when there are more End-game Bows than other Rangers weapons

P.D:I don't add the Chain gun nor Vortex blaster in the guns because the SDMG replace them as your full auto End Game-Gun once obtained

yeah sorry i didnt know of the pulse bow or areal bane

[Awkward]

most bows are pretty powerful for when you get them like the dadalus stormbow or phantasm and puslse bow. And a lost less rare to get compared to other strong weapons

[Ruinae Retroque Rursus]

Bows aren't powerful?

What?


Even moreso than guns, bows depend on the type of ammo you're using.
Pre-Harmode: Frost Arrows / Jester Arrows (usually Frost will do you fine)
Hardmode: Holy Arrows / Ichor Arrows for single targets

No other class has the ability to rain down multiple stars from above.


I've done some testing on the Pumpkin Moon with 1.2.4.1 weapons (pre-lunar, so no Phantasm and no garbage Betsy weapons), and the easiest way to murder things is with the Chlorophyte Shotbow and Holy Arrows, even against powerful enemies.
(It beats:
- Stake Launcher
- Explosive Jack-O-Lantern Launcher
- Chain Gun
- Candy Corn Rifle
- Nail Gun)


Pulse Bow isn't great, Aerial Bane is absolutely atrocious because it's not affected by the Magic Quiver = very hard to hit enemies with, the Tsnuami is a straight upgrade of the Chlorophyte Shotbow...


.... but the Phantasm trumps them all.


If I could, I'd move the Phantasm to a ML drop and replace the Vortex Weapon with a Dart Gun. Cursed, Crystal, and Ichor darts are sooo coool (have you even seen Cursed Darts? no? you're missing out big-time, grab 1 Cursed Flame, make 150 Cursed Darts, buy a Blowgun from the Witch Doctor just to see what they do and have fun) but useless post-Plantera (well, nearly useless unless you're trying to use them).



As for comparison to other guns / rockets, the Phantasm + Holy Arrow combo is the only mass-murdering AND infinite piercing one around. Rockets only do splash damage, bullets are very fiddly to hit multiple enemies with even if you do use Crystal or Luminite bullets, but the Phantasm...

4 arrows = 4 arrows + 8 stars + 4 homing projectiles that will hit your target, no exceptions = you can DPS-battle the Pumpkin Moon and very nearly win by standing in one spot and firing upwards.

[Ruinae Retroque Rursus]

Originally posted by Sash.eX:

phantasm with holy is op man. its how i survive expert frost moons without armor.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Phantasm w/ Holy Arrows (+ Vortex Armor and other stuff) is the only way to get to Wave 20 on Singleplayer without any spawn exploits? (The trick is to stay in stealth mode the entire fight)

Sure, the Last Prism gets you there, but you need those spawn exploits...

And let's not talk about trying to use melee in SP lategame

[Inky]

Originally posted by aidenpons:

Bows aren't powerful?

What?


Even moreso than guns, bows depend on the type of ammo you're using.
Pre-Harmode: Frost Arrows / Jester Arrows (usually Frost will do you fine)
Hardmode: Holy Arrows / Ichor Arrows for single targets

No other class has the ability to rain down multiple stars from above.


I've done some testing on the Pumpkin Moon with 1.2.4.1 weapons (pre-lunar, so no Phantasm and no garbage Betsy weapons), and the easiest way to murder things is with the Chlorophyte Shotbow and Holy Arrows, even against powerful enemies.
(It beats:
- Stake Launcher
- Explosive Jack-O-Lantern Launcher
- Chain Gun
- Candy Corn Rifle
- Nail Gun)


Pulse Bow isn't great, Aerial Bane is absolutely atrocious because it's not affected by the Magic Quiver = very hard to hit enemies with, the Tsnuami is a straight upgrade of the Chlorophyte Shotbow...


.... but the Phantasm trumps them all.


If I could, I'd move the Phantasm to a ML drop and replace the Vortex Weapon with a Dart Gun. Cursed, Crystal, and Ichor darts are sooo coool (have you even seen Cursed Darts? no? you're missing out big-time, grab 1 Cursed Flame, make 150 Cursed Darts, buy a Blowgun from the Witch Doctor just to see what they do and have fun) but useless post-Plantera (well, nearly useless unless you're trying to use them).



As for comparison to other guns / rockets, the Phantasm + Holy Arrow combo is the only mass-murdering AND infinite piercing one around. Rockets only do splash damage, bullets are very fiddly to hit multiple enemies with even if you do use Crystal or Luminite bullets, but the Phantasm...

4 arrows = 4 arrows + 8 stars + 4 homing projectiles that will hit your target, no exceptions = you can DPS-battle the Pumpkin Moon and very nearly win by standing in one spot and firing upwards.

actually melee can rain stars down from the sky. i didnt mean bows arent powerful, i meant there arent any bow drops pretty much after the pillars.

[Ruinae Retroque Rursus]

Originally posted by marsmouse01:

i didnt mean bows arent powerful, i meant there arent any bow drops pretty much after the pillars.

Except that the bow that is dropped by the pillars is powerful enough to contend with... well... all the other weapons in existence.


I do think the Phantasm should be moved to a ML drop though.