Do the mafia trials ever end?

[AdmiralKenobi]

In my game they're stuck forever in the judicial guerrilla stage, even when the case strength is above 100% (not sure if that's a bug)

[Maestro Cinetik]

Hello, no, it's not a bug but a case in court with often good lawyers : it is normal that it takes a lot of time

[Really Good Lawyer]

So is there not a way to defeat the mafia?

[Maestro Cinetik]

Hello, di you read the Mafia guide ?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1829560785

@cockroaches : when you are at the trial stage, just wait until the end, it takes times because the mafia has the bucks to defend iself and can be very persuasive, but i assure you it will end someday.

Btw : having a Mafia on a trial is nice because during this time it won't make you lose points

[dante82]

I wonder, what does actually "judicial guerilla" action do? I mean - it is essential for the case to go forward, or would interrupting it be better? A hypothetical scenario - there's an arrest and mafia enters the guerilla. Then, the embedded agent sows dissent, and the mafia goes into infighting, abandoning the judicial guerilla. What happens?

a) The trial goes forward a lot faster (a more logical explanation, since the mafia is too busy to defend itself)
b) the trial stops completely, because the action of guerilla was needed to move it forward (a game mechanic explanation).
c) the change of mafia plans does not impact the trial at all.

Which one is true?

[Maestro Cinetik]

The tiral is no more the problem as violent mobsters took over the organization to wage a bloody territory/succession war.

[dante82]

yeah, but if it would make the trial go faster for a year or two, sometimes i'd risk the territory war instead of them fighting the court war. :)

[Maestro Cinetik]

Fighting the mafia is often risky : it is often better to pick just some of them or you won't have enough men to fight the klans and then the Black Panthers

[Abstau Bär]

How long does it actually take for the court to lock up the Mafia goons for good?
2 years? 5 years?

[Maestro Cinetik]

I forgot, but less than that

[dante82]

Originally posted by Abstau Bär:

How long does it actually take for the court to lock up the Mafia goons for good?
2 years? 5 years?

Actually it depends. When you arrest the mafia, they are going to "judicial guerilla" process and advance it normally (one percent per one activity point). Don't interrupt it or change it - they have to finish it, the faster, the better. You can do the math and see how long will it take to reach 100% at given rate. When the process is finished, a court battle will end, and size will be reduced. Smaller mafias will go away, larger ones you'll have to drag into court again to reduce further.

At least that is how I remember it, I'm no expert on that one ;)

[Abstau Bär]

Originally posted by dante82:

Originally posted by Abstau Bär:

How long does it actually take for the court to lock up the Mafia goons for good?
2 years? 5 years?

Actually it depends. When you arrest the mafia, they are going to "judicial guerilla" process and advance it normally (one percent per one activity point). Don't interrupt it or change it - they have to finish it, the faster, the better. You can do the math and see how long will it take to reach 100% at given rate. When the process is finished, a court battle will end, and size will be reduced. Smaller mafias will go away, larger ones you'll have to drag into court again to reduce further.

At least that is how I remember it, I'm no expert on that one ;)

And here I was playing raid-a-mole with the mafia...

[Maestro Cinetik]

:)

[dante82]

Originally posted by Abstau Bär:

And here I was playing raid-a-mole with the mafia...

Actually that would make more sense. Right now the only reliable way to put the mafia down faster is by using the "help" action, and actually feeding it money (which advances the counter). It would make sense that in case of Judicial guerilla, raids, or black bag jobs would increase the counter instead of decreasing - but that's the game engine for you! :)

Or better yet - since entering Judicial Guerilla resets the evidence counter - it would make sense to assume that when judicial goes to 100% - mafia wins, and gets stronger (+size) and if the case file goes to 100% again before JG does, the usual "mafia loses trial" event would fire.

That way stronger mafias could actually grow faster if thrown in court, or at least not to lose faster than the smaller ones.

[Abstau Bär]

You can't help the mafia. Why would they need to, some of them are more loaded than the FBI.

You could do it like Donnie Brasco, provide diamonds to prove that he's a successful thief, helping him to soar through the ranks, though.

[dante82]

Originally posted by Abstau Bär:

You can't help the mafia. Why would they need to, some of them are more loaded than the FBI.

You could do it like Donnie Brasco, provide diamonds to prove that he's a successful thief, helping him to soar through the ranks, though.

You actually CAN help the mafia. In the late game there's an event folder about black panthers (or so I remember) which enlists the mafia to fight with those, and makes the option to help them available. Ironically, it makes mafia trials much speedier.