Conquering India

[Admiral Fisher]

I have attempted to conqure india twice now and this is my third time. each time I run out of money and go bankrupt. This most recent time I have managed to conquer three provances and corned off the trade routes, I also have four major armies battling it out with all the indian powers. It seems like india's resources are never ending. I destory one army and then four more come in and attack my army. Right now it is a satlemate and I am considering calling this fourth armed conflict a draw. I have played medievia total war and toal war Rome but I have never quite played aganist a nation like india. any tips? I already know how to play and I am a very good taction. I just need some tips on dealing with india's never ending armies.

[Admiral Fisher]

anyway I have an update for my third conquest of india. a twenty five hundred man force invaded Goa Goa after forcing my retreate. I basically used the fort and held my ground for an untold amount of time. The Indians over the course of the battle lost so many men that retreated despite the fact I had lost all but my general's body guard, two dragoon regiments and a cannon battery. They lost two thousand men in that battle and I was forced to declar peace because my armies were tatters, my holdings were in ruins and, in fourty something turns I only held three provances. If someone can tell me how to provide screenshot I will be happy to oblige.

[Jaytee]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=271616987

[Admiral Fisher]

Impressive. Now that was a battle. Personally I use defensive liner tactics backed with two artillery batteries and a couple of companies of dragoons. I even have a formula as to how to deploy and where to deploy and what formations to use. I have only lost two battles because the Indians ran down the clock.

[Tender Loins]

Why don;t you just wait until you conquer eaurope and or america first then you'll be a superpower not in need of India's trade routes or ffactions that live in india for trade and you can just slowly take them out.

What i found is that i couldn't attack india (playing as netherlands) becasue the amratha and the mughal guys were my two main sources of trade and if i got into war with them I would og bankrupt in 2-4 turns. This may be what is happening to you why you can't beat them without going bankrupt but idk what your diplomatic relations were like

[Admiral Fisher]

The reason I run out of money is because of the size of the army I need to garrsion my cities, border forts and rual areas. And I have the four invasion forces and the navies to defend my trade rountes and harbors. The fact is that india is dripping in gold and can use their superior economy to outfight me with sheer numbers. I understand what your saying and will implement them. I have just setteld peace and will build a better a economy by conquring native american terrotiory.

[Hess]

conquer region by region, take mysore first if they are there, then portugal's Goa, and ceylon, then build up a small force and pick off the smaller enemy, bit by bit, ive done it a couple of times, crushed them wiht Prussia of all nation, and did it wiht UP

[Admiral Fisher]

Thanks. I try both 007's and Mr. Hess's suggestions. I wish to thank everyone who gave input.

[Hess]

good luck :)

[Turtler]

What faction are you playing as? Any mods?

Personally, I find India to be a rather easy target. The Mughals in particular are freaking dismal, and the other two are better but tend to be both (in the case of Mysore and a somehow-stalemated Marathas) small and especially backwards.

Keep two or three major armies, pick your targets, and keep moving foreward and taking territory. Break up the others and send them to garrison the conquests that need it the most. Keep moving foreward and don't sweat rebellions too hard, destroying the faction is far more important than stomping out every rebellion the turn after it happens.

Once you've broken them then you can sit back and digest it.

I usually get results around Jaytee's level.

[stevebob]

I don’t want to sound like the bad guy but 4 army’s is pathetic. You need more like 8-10 because every battle you will lose tons of men and you will need instant replacements. As far as slogging on foot through India, that is crazy! You need to be more like… Blitzkrieg!

Well first, on average, India when slightly upgraded can crank out about 55 units a turn or about 6500 men (that is on large unit settings) … Ok now for the gold, $30,000.00 is a good estimate for just city production (No Trade). I know I was making with trade, $100,000 a turn.
Now hear are the citys you should take over first:


City name / Gold / Recruitment slots

Bengal / 2,000 / 6 slots : land three army’s hear take the city and move to-
Hindustan / 4,000 / 7 slots : take the city with two army re-build them
Orissa / 2,000 / 2 slots : march the third army of Bengal down the coast to Orissa.

Bijapow(?) / 6,000 / 7 slots : land Three army in there port and take the city
Mysore / 3,000 / 7 slots : land Three army in there port and take the city
Goa Goa / 1,000 / 2 slots : take one army from Mysore and take the city
Hyderabad / 3,000 / 6 slots : take two army from Bijapow and take the city
Gujarat / 1,500 / 6 slots : take this second turn
Ceylon / 1,500 / 5 slots : take this second turn

[Admiral Fisher]

My faction is great britian and I am playing wihtout mods. I only just got the game like three weeks ago. I am not used to total war empire but I have played others in the total war series. I only logged 20 hours on it. Now that y'all explained it now I see why india is so powerful. Thanks y'all. Should I just start a new game?

[stevebob]

No, finish this one and you will be all that much greater :)

[Admiral Fisher]

I think I have a plan of action. I am going to to build a chain of forts and garrison them so I can have something to fall back on just in case. While building the forts I am going to set up trade networks all over the world to fund the second Indian War. Once I build enough captail I am going to build three major armies and go for the kill on seymore and then pull a germany and go for as many provances as I can before the fight slows down to a slug fest. I am not about to get into another twenty year war with nothing gained and four major battles every turn. I will also try to wrestle india out of some their spices trade routes. I will let y'all know how it goes.

[oldwrld]

You people forget why India is so damned hard to conquour. Merely take a look at any globe to see where they are placed basically makes it so you gotta spent more resources just to get to them, then you would even bother to gain from a victory (look to the crusades of how much of India was a pain for the muslim empire's to control though they were in close proximity themselves)

But if you're smart you ensure Italy is under your control ASAP and build as many damn troop ladden ships as you can to basically wipe em out in a quick attack. Its how i did it it nearly bankrupted my butt but i managed to send a full fleet full of troops prepared to fight and nearly lost too.

[Admiral Fisher]

The fact is the british attemed a military conquest of india and failed so they went with plan B which was muslim and spainsh style empire building. Youd decpatate the head of the stsytem by bribing the people under the leadship but over the beauracry. Also those who resisted they simply conqured the captails of the princpalities and placed a british governer in charge while leaving the system intact. The fact is, in the immeadit aftermath of the conquest of india very little changed for the avarage indianian. The British did not pratice impeiralism in indea until the advent of scientif racism. It didn't matter to the lords and peasents rather they had a British lord in charge of them or same family who ruled for hundreds of years. The British kept the system in place.