Is GOOD historical Total War dead? Why or why not?

[SpiffyGonzales]

This isn't meant to be a hate post. I'm just curious what the fanbase thinks. Thus far ,there have been 4 fantasy games, 1 based on a fantasy book of a historical event, and 1 historical that was basicaly just bad since we've had a good one, which was Rome 2. But even that waas very divisive. The last historical total war that saw a ton of fanfare was Shogun 2, which is over a decade old.

With all that in mind, do you guys think we'll see another good historical total war that gets as much popularity as say Empire, Medieval 2, or Rome 1?

[Drunk Rambo {The Dirty Dozen}]

TW needs to address this issue and focus on fans of different genres. ETW and NTW sold millions, why would they not make another historical version? I'm hoping they will create a new "Victoria" TW, which will encompass the British Empire whilst also allowing players to choose other nations. This should include all the wars and theaters and the scope of the British Empire from Africa to India and the Middle East. Imagine a General Gordon defending Khartoum DLC, or a British Rourke's Drift and Isandlwana. How about letting players choose the Zulu Nation as their country or the Sudanese, and even the Boers. This would be one of the greatest historical TW IMHO.

[Wayz]

IMO CA just likes to tip toe around any contentious issues from European history as people get upset and rush to their cellphone soap box to virtue signal as fast as their fingers and tap So instead they set historical games in a nation that actively commits human rights abuses today because that's so much more politically correct and profitable. Also can add heroes some of them woman that wade through armies all on their lonesome! Not much wriggle roam for that sort of carry on in medieval Europe & colonial settings.

Fantasy/mythological settings gives CA the ability to stay safely on fictional ground and thus licence to do whatever they like basically. No need to adhere to pesky details like historical accuracy or facts.

[SpiffyGonzales]

Originally posted by Drunk Rambo:

TW needs to address this issue and focus on fans of different genres. ETW and NTW sold millions, why would they not make another historical version? I'm hoping they will create a new "Victoria" TW, which will encompass the British Empire whilst also allowing players to choose other nations. This should include all the wars and theaters and the scope of the British Empire from Africa to India and the Middle East. Imagine a General Gordon defending Khartoum DLC, or a British Rourke's Drift and Isandlwana. How about letting players choose the Zulu Nation as their country or the Sudanese, and even the Boers. This would be one of the greatest historical TW IMHO.

Personally hoping for Empire 2 with the Grand Campaign spanning the entire world set in 1580-1880. Yea... I want this game to be friggin HUGE

[SpiffyGonzales]

Originally posted by Wayz:

IMO CA just likes to tip toe around any contentious issues from European history as people get upset and rush to their cellphone soap box to virtue signal as fast as their fingers and tap So instead they set historical games in a nation that actively commits human rights abuses today because that's so much more politically correct and profitable. Also can add heroes some of them woman that wade through armies all on their lonesome! Not much wriggle roam for that sort of carry on in medieval Europe & colonial settings.

Fantasy/mythological settings gives CA the ability to stay safely on fictional ground and thus licence to do whatever they like basically. No need to adhere to pesky details like historical accuracy or facts.

Thats true too... not having any mechanics for slavery, culture, or different laws was kind of a let down. And the religion system was pretty barebones. I do like how they managed the government system though, although I think something like a theocracy and primitive governments should be added. Also technology was really well done. clamor for reform was decent enough both to justify republic as a government, but no so bad that absolute monarchy wasnt.

[Bishop]

Well yeah, they already have. You might not have liked some games games like 3K did sell really well, might not be all you wanted but it did have a historical mode which isn't that much off than standard.

Also run the issue now that the series has gotten much bigger in the community which will lead to more disagreement in content and path taken.

Of course many run the issue of over expectations as well. Big one being the idea of a global historical TW. They haven't got to the level of doing that yet, even with WH3s combined campaign that required 3 games to get to that scale isn't enough for our world without an even worse province density than Empire 1. 1 Province France is hugely unpopular now 1 province Europe?

[Empire_TW]

Its dead. Its because they are too dependent on their new warhammer fans who have 0 interest in anything that isn't warhammer and they've alienated the historical fans for so long that they aren't interested either. Them wanting to dlc monger and follow the trend of releasing a broken game then fix it later also doesn't help.

[Kagemusha]

The general cultural climate is too reactionary to allow for another historical game set in the West. Too much of a brand risk. And historical games don't lend themselves to the standard RTS DLC model, unless you want to go full Paradox Interactive, and be utterly loathed for it.

[Brutalist Ape]

Total War has gone the same way as the History Channel. It started out focusing on History. But then over time, the profit motive corrupted everything. They realised they could make more money churning out cheap crappy 'reality TV' shows instead of producing high-quality History content that they were created for. This is called Network Decay. Eventually, one couldn't find any historical content on the History Channel and it just degenerated into Ancient Aliens and other un-historical nonsense.

The Total War series has turned its back on History and embraced fantasy in pursuit of the holy dollar $. One also has to remember that it's been more than 20 years since the original generation of Total War games came out. Many of the people that were behind the original games such as Shogun Total War (2000) and Medieval Total War (2002) are no longer with the company.

Warhammer is absolutely anathema to me. I can't stand this type of thing. For people interested in History and realism, the last title of any value was Attila Total War (2015).

Sadly, unless they have a surprise in the works, it looks like other series or the old games are our only options.

[Drunk Rambo {The Dirty Dozen}]

Originally posted by Brutalist Ape:

Total War has gone the same way as the History Channel. It started out focusing on History. But then over time, the profit motive corrupted everything. They realised they could make more money churning out cheap crappy 'reality TV' shows instead of producing high-quality History content that they were created for. This is called Network Decay. Eventually, one couldn't find any historical content on the History Channel and it just degenerated into Ancient Aliens and other un-historical nonsense.

The Total War series has turned its back on History and embraced fantasy in pursuit of the holy dollar $. One also has to remember that it's been more than 20 years since the original generation of Total War games came out. Many of the people that were behind the original games such as Shogun Total War (2000) and Medieval Total War (2002) are no longer with the company.

Warhammer is absolutely anathema to me. I can't stand this type of thing. For people interested in History and realism, the last title of any value was Attila Total War (2015).

Sadly, unless they have a surprise in the works, it looks like other series or the old games are our only options.

Are there anyothersimilar games to ETW?

[SpiffyGonzales]

Originally posted by Drunk Rambo:

Originally posted by Brutalist Ape:

Total War has gone the same way as the History Channel. It started out focusing on History. But then over time, the profit motive corrupted everything. They realised they could make more money churning out cheap crappy 'reality TV' shows instead of producing high-quality History content that they were created for. This is called Network Decay. Eventually, one couldn't find any historical content on the History Channel and it just degenerated into Ancient Aliens and other un-historical nonsense.

The Total War series has turned its back on History and embraced fantasy in pursuit of the holy dollar $. One also has to remember that it's been more than 20 years since the original generation of Total War games came out. Many of the people that were behind the original games such as Shogun Total War (2000) and Medieval Total War (2002) are no longer with the company.

Warhammer is absolutely anathema to me. I can't stand this type of thing. For people interested in History and realism, the last title of any value was Attila Total War (2015).

Sadly, unless they have a surprise in the works, it looks like other series or the old games are our only options.

Are there anyothersimilar games to ETW?

Grand Tactician the civil war
If you can handle bad graphics, and as an empire fan im guessing you can, theyre pretty bad. But the gameplay is awsome and aside from diplomacy its waay more in depth than empire is. to the point where you choose the univorms and weapons of each faction.

[Drunk Rambo {The Dirty Dozen}]

Originally posted by SpiffyGonzales:

Originally posted by Drunk Rambo:

Are there anyothersimilar games to ETW?

Grand Tactician the civil war
If you can handle bad graphics, and as an empire fan im guessing you can, theyre pretty bad. But the gameplay is awsome and aside from diplomacy its waay more in depth than empire is. to the point where you choose the univorms and weapons of each faction.

Thank you, it's a 2021 release date too. Not sure why it's almost $50 though? I'm loving the fact you can choose the uniforms and weapons. I added it to my wish list and will buy it when the price comes down.

[Drunk Rambo {The Dirty Dozen}]

Originally posted by Wayz:

IMO CA just likes to tip toe around any contentious issues from European history as people get upset and rush to their cellphone soap box to virtue signal as fast as their fingers and tap So instead they set historical games in a nation that actively commits human rights abuses today because that's so much more politically correct and profitable. Also can add heroes some of them woman that wade through armies all on their lonesome! Not much wriggle roam for that sort of carry on in medieval Europe & colonial settings.

Fantasy/mythological settings gives CA the ability to stay safely on fictional ground and thus licence to do whatever they like basically. No need to adhere to pesky details like historical accuracy or facts.

Well then they need to make the Zulu nations and the Sudanese Mahdi's army be as playable nations. As well as all the other non European nations. Let them have access to their goldmines, oil fields and diamond mines, be able to buy European mercenaries, and buy state of the art weaponry and military advisers. All this PC nonsense is easily solved with this. I fully agree with what you are saying though.

[Inardesco]

Considering there are multiple clues that CA might be working on a new Medieval TW its safe to say just wait. CA is bad at communication but once they do start communicating they actually show decent stuff.

[SpiffyGonzales]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Considering there are multiple clues that CA might be working on a new Medieval TW its safe to say just wait. CA is bad at communication but once they do start communicating they actually show decent stuff.

I'm hopeful for that tbh. But you also gotta remember that those rumors were coming out before Troy and 3K were announced. Heck there were dudes saying that there was no way CA would ever let there be a WH3 before a ME, Rome, or Shogun 3.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by SpiffyGonzales:

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Considering there are multiple clues that CA might be working on a new Medieval TW its safe to say just wait. CA is bad at communication but once they do start communicating they actually show decent stuff.

I'm hopeful for that tbh. But you also gotta remember that those rumors were coming out before Troy and 3K were announced. Heck there were dudes saying that there was no way CA would ever let there be a WH3 before a ME, Rome, or Shogun 3.

No. They registered a trademark early last year for Total: Medieval and a person that does motion capture for CA released pictures of himself doing exactly that. Safe to say, Feral Interactive is probably working on getting Med2 remastered so that when it gets released it'll be in anticipation of a new TW game.