Good Game, but not better than Medieval II

[O Sheriff]

Good Game, but i think that Medieval II Total War was better than Empire Total War

[BEAR]

Huh, well empire is by far my favorite of the searies and rome 2 just kinda fell pretty short.

[O Sheriff]

when CA announced rome 2 I was very anxious, but when I played and saw all those bugs, its disappointed me hardly... luckly they fixed almost the mistakes

[Nephell]

Wow.. you could have put more effort into your message... Why bother even typing anything?

Care to elaborate on what you feel or think makes M2TW better than ETW?
would probably help a few others who are compairing the two games.

Maybe explain where ETW lacks in comparison to M2TW etc etc. :)

[FreightTrainJim]

I disagree. Medieval 2 was pretty much Rome in a different era. It was a very good game, but didn't innovate enough for my tastes. Empire had its faults but it's my favorite of the bunch. It's certainly the most ambitious of the Total War games when you compare what it tried to do against what had been done before.

[Warfreak]

all total war games before that japan version came are the best, its changed and as now become rome 2 which am sry to say is very bad. not total war anymore. i love empire soo much especilly modded. medieval is also great as is rome 1. what have you done to our total war..

[Empire_TW]

I reaylly really love empire (because i love 18th centurey warfare) i also like guns but the late medeival period is sorta capturing my intrest in my understanding late medivel 2 has the late medevial times im intrestied in. i hear its melee combat is a million times better (sane crituge convinced me on youtube) but it has no naval battles and it sorta makes the game seem incomplete. also fall of the samuri has my intrests cause it kinda brings back empire. ill throw in that Rome 2 city development is too close to civ 5 and is not really good

[Mr Chill Chill]

Originally posted by Natsan:

Good Game, but i think that Medieval II Total War was better than Empire Total War

MTW2 is fun (minus the latest issues with Steam of course), but for a game that relies heavily on melee combat, the pathfinding is still pretty bad. Even after all of the patches, when two forces collide, it isn't where the majority of the troops are involved in the fighting, despite wearing down relatively quickly.

In Empire, the melee system was improved drastically outside of sieges, and even more so with NTW.

The thing that made MTW2 fun were the sieges and night battles.

On the campaign side, it was rather lacking, and you had to deal constantly with small rebel forces popping up, as well as small enemy armies attacking fully fortified positions for no apparent reason. You can edit some of those things, but it's a hassle.

All that said, I'd take Empire and it's improved land battles as well as new sea battles any day over MTW2.

Anybody that's played Imperial Glory (released 2005), knows that the total war series took some of the positive things from their battles and incorporated it into theirs, including the naval aspect. They moved in the correct direction when they did this, IMO.

[Empire_TW]

how is steam screwing with medeval 2 ?

[Mr Chill Chill]

Originally posted by Brad:

how is steam screwing with medeval 2 ?

Everyone was forced to redownload the game a few weeks back, and typically more than once. I've only had two instances where Steam would lockup with a download, and both have come with TW games, including MTW2 and also Rome1. Both were also redownloads where the user wasn't given a choice.

When I say that Steam would lockup, it would also freeze the computer to where I'd have to manually shut it down and restart it. Rome1 turned out to be more of a nightmare, as the automatic redownloads led to me having to uninstall the game via steam and reinstalling it. There were a LOT of ticked off users with MTW2 because many had mods installed that were messed up.

[lillemingo]

Please EVERYONE stop comparing E:TW with TW:M2, they are not the same, the "Story" is not the same, the scenario is not the same. It's 2 diffirent games, that can NOT be compared!
I personally lik E:TW the most, but TW:M2 is a good game. But do not campare them PLEASE! :D lillemingo :D

[Empire_TW]

well the ETW has got to be the 2nd or 3rd best total war game. Rome 1 is obvisously the 1st best. thats where ETW and TW M2 come in ETW and TW M2 could be a tie for 2nd. NTW was just a stripped down ETW an expansion in disguise. Shogun 2 is just samuri moshpits, long loading screens. and the battles in the campagin is moslty sieage battles. and Rome 2 words can't describe that mega mess .

[Destin Faroda]

Originally posted by Starchild:

In Empire, the melee system was improved drastically outside of sieges, and even more so with NTW.

Wrong. Warscape has a dumbed down melee system that is unrealistic (1vs1 duels are ahistorical) can't even simulate secondary weapon stats.

Originally posted by Starchild:

The thing that made MTW2 fun were the sieges and night battles.

How I miss the working sieges from Medieval II. Warscape sieges are an insult!

Originally posted by Starchild:

On the campaign side, it was rather lacking...

Medieval II had more depth than Empire. There were two types of settlements that could grow, dozens of building slots, more resources, lots of cultures and units, siege equipment, working formation warfare etc.

Originally posted by Starchild:

All that said, I'd take Empire and it's improved land battles as well as new sea battles any day over MTW2.

How can a dumbed down battle system incapable of actual formation warfare, broken fire drills and with a lack of secondary weapon stats be superior?

[Amoc]

Empire Total War is a horrendous game. It isn't just bad, it's pathetically bad. It took everything good from all the previous installments of Total War and crapped on them. From Shogun to Medieval 2, Total War was easily my favorite franchise ever. After Empire, and especially after the f-u to fans that N:TW was, they've been one of my least favorite studios.

From the 100% broken AI (both on the strategic and tactical level), to the generally lousy game performance (loading screens, AI turn slowdown), Empire is a mess. The only thing that anyone could possibly say good about it is that it looks good, because it does. Aside from that, the only reason you could possibly like it is if you like to steamroll helpless AI opponents. Maybe that makes you feel good, I don't know.

Before some nerd comes out and tells me this is my OPINION, yes, sure, it is. This opinion, however, is based on simple facts that are easily replicated and verified. E:TW is a poorly optimized game with helplessly bad AI. This is a statement of fact.

[Empire_TW]

that was ETW on release. it fixed by my standards great. but to die hard TW fans its been fixed to the point of it being playable. that said the main issue was that it was the first game to use the warscape engine (i think thats what it is called) how ever there is no exusuce for Rome 2 at all. they lied about that game. but is it really CA's fault? Its sega they rushed Empire and Rome 2

[Empire_TW]

scratch that maby playable for die hard TW fans