Maintaining Public Order in an Absolute Monarchy

[pgeerkens]

This is how it's done. Moscow conquered in Summer 1706; Workers Strike in Winter 1706; and Riot in Summer 1707. Rebellion in Winter 1707 promptly suppressed and Moscow is calm, with the College retained and garrison cost minimised.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2600522529

Note all the Yellow hearts indicating Ministerial bonuses for Public Order. That's key also.

[Insaniac]

Or, you could just impose a constitutional monarchy and not have to worry about making gimmick garrisons.

[pgeerkens]

Originally posted by Steven Seagal:

Or, you could just impose a constitutional monarchy and not have to worry about making gimmick garrisons.

Why would I bother? Absolute Monarchy is substantially better than Constitutional Monarchy (IMHO at least); and there is still no end of those who have difficulty maintaining Public Order in newly conquered Capitol Regions under even a Constitutional Monarchy, The Middle Class is no easier to repress in the early game than the Lower Class, and perhaps even harder due to the greater abundance of Bon Vivant and Jug-Head ministers compared to Stall Holders.

[Insaniac]

Industrialization penalties don’t exist for constitutional monarchies.

[Bfloo]

early game as England I have gotten constant revolutions

[pgeerkens]

Originally posted by Steven Seagal:

Industrialization penalties don’t exist for constitutional monarchies.

Did you read my post? It says:

".... The Middle Class is no easier to repress in the early game than the Lower Class, ....".

The industrialization penalties in the early game are a simple -1.

Further: you seem to be implying that garrisoning conquered Capital Regions is a breeze under Constitutional Monarchy - which every reader experienced with the game will know is a fantasy. Public Order problems don't simply go away by changing Government Type. They are different, but still very real in all three Government Types. As I've become better at the game I've come to prefer Absolute Monarchy.

[Insaniac]

If you need a full time garrison to keep a city repressed then you have a problem. All those -1s add up, and just wait until they all become -2. In a region with a lot of buildings, you’re looking at potentially -8 or -10 from industrialization alone. Better hope there isn’t a school there.

[pgeerkens]

Originally posted by Steven Seagal:

If you need a full time garrison to keep a city repressed then you have a problem. All those -1s add up, and just wait until they all become -2. In a region with a lot of buildings, you’re looking at potentially -8 or -10 from industrialization alone. Better hope there isn’t a school there.

LOL

Those are all vanity builds - that don't return an economic benefit within the length of the game. I only build those (except one each when required to enable research) until after I've conquered the World.

[Papa Bear]

Wait a sec....you can change government type!?!?!? How in the world do you do this please???

[Bfloo]

Originally posted by Papa Bear:

Wait a sec....you can change government type!?!?!? How in the world do you do this please???

Cause a revolution in your capital, and let them win.

[Hedning]

But doesn't monarchy go to republic because its the lower classes that hates it?

[pgeerkens]

Originally posted by Papa Bear:

Wait a sec....you can change government type!?!?!? How in the world do you do this please???

Originally posted by Hedning:

But doesn't monarchy go to republic because its the lower classes that hates it?

..Start-Government-Type..|..Class-Rebelling...|.End-Government-Type
---------------------------|-------------------|-------------------------
......Absolute Monarchy......|...........Nobility.........|..Absolute Monarchy (new monarch)
......Absolute Monarchy......|....Lower Classes...|..Republic
.Constitutional Monarchy.|...........Nobility.........|..Absolute Monarchy (new monarch)
.Constitutional Monarchy.|.....Middle Class.....|..Constitutional Monarchy (new monarch)
..................Republic...............|.....Middle Class.....|..Constitutional Monarchy (new monarch)
..................Republic...............|....Lower Classes...|..Republic

To go from Absolute Monarchy to Constitutional Monarchy requires that first Cromwell lead a rebellion to form a Republic; and then that the Middle Class have a Glorious Revolution inviting William and Mary to assume the monarchy.

[Papa Bear]

Originally posted by Bfloo:

Originally posted by Papa Bear:

Wait a sec....you can change government type!?!?!? How in the world do you do this please???

Cause a revolution in your capital, and let them win.

a revolution? You mean let the public order in your capital get so low they revolt?

[Hedning]

Originally posted by Papa Bear:

Originally posted by Bfloo:

Cause a revolution in your capital, and let them win.

a revolution? You mean let the public order in your capital get so low they revolt?

Yes, then you will get an option to either crush it or help them. If you help them you need to conquer your former capital.

[Bfloo]

Originally posted by Papa Bear:

Originally posted by Bfloo:

Cause a revolution in your capital, and let them win.

a revolution? You mean let the public order in your capital get so low they revolt?

Yes, Pgeerkin's post gives the outcomes. Just move your armies away from the capitol before you do it. There is either a guide or a post if you look back a lil bit that goes into detail about it.

[Aefstadir]

simp;

Know the landscapes weakness... what is the capital region dependent upon (It has a large population that will revolt but.... that comes at a cost. That means it is dependent upon stable food.) <-and cobbled stone streets>- (you might need an undetected gentleman agent that may never return.

Great Britain for example has a tremendous amount of people but where does it get it's food from? Ireland?

Possibly.... Let's see huhere. Oh what a surprise.. the spanish port that was built at this location is eerily enough within one movement radius of my fleet.. I wonder how I can manipulate this to work to my advantage in time...

In short when you take Ireland make sure you take the capital city as quickly as possible because they are going to be really angry with you that they starved for a bit. (it builds character;fasting) ... and you don't want to invade a city where the great populace is all diseased and some of them may yet be alive... -cannibalism- think of the diseases that would bring to us :(

The "Liberation of Ireland" paraphrased.

God Save the Queen.