What about Georgia?

[HEAVY FIRST RATE]

I am playing as Great Britain, and thus have this mission to capture two pieces of Cherokee lands and then one of the French cities in Canada and they will join me. However, the Iroquois started a war with the 13 colonies, took New York and thus allowed the United States to take over that province. I took out the United States, and then eliminated the Iroquois, but when I declared war on the Cherokee, the 13 colonies invaded Georgia and took it. I have tried to buy it and also give all my researched items with all my current cash but no they won't sell it even though they have had it for about 15 or 20 turns yet have built nothing on it, not even a government building. I am hesitant to start a war with the French at this moment if it is not possible to complete the mission if the colonies are holding Georgia as I am in a war with Sweden and Prussia while France and Spain have both asked to trade with me and that helps pay for my war against Sweden and Prussia.

As many times as I have played this game, I don't believe I have ever been in this situation! Has anyone else been in this situation and if you take the French city without Georgia in your control,but rather owned by the colonies, will the mission complete or am I now going to have to go to war with the colonies to get possession of them?

If I go to war with the colonies and just invade Georgia after taking the French city will the mission complete even though I am at war with the colonies?

Anybody got an answer for this situation? I realize now that I should have started my war with the Cherokee by invading Georgia first thus keeping it out of the hands of the colonies, but, we are kind of way beyond that now. Is there some sort of solution or is it war with my own people?

[HazardHawk]

Huh?

Georgia is supposed to start as one of the colonies. If it is in someone else's hands, they took it. The two Cherokee settlements are the two (one just above another) to the west of Georgia.

[HEAVY FIRST RATE]

At the time I declared war on the Cherokee, they had taken both Georgia and Florida, that is beside the point, the problem now is that the colonies took Georgia before I could get to it, what does that do to the mission and how do you solve it.

In nearly every game I have played over the years, the Cherokee almost always wind up in possession of Georgia and most of the time, relieve Spain of Florida too!

[Bfloo]

I've had Georgia show as one of the challenge cities, usually either Spain or the Cherokee have it. I never ran into the op's issue though, the colonists usually just skip around accomplishing nothing. Try taking the French cities and see what happens.

[HEAVY FIRST RATE]

The campaign I am playing is the total conquest one, so the starting positions and mission requirements may be slightly different than the short and long campaigns. I have never thought to check and see if that is a thing or not.

[Bfloo]

True, I like world domination or whatever it is called more than the long campaign

[operating1]

I'm fairly sure if you capture the remaining Cherokee region (and New France) the 13 Colonies will go GB. I've had similar circumstances where a protectorate owned a region that I needed. JUST thought of it: "Check your Victory conditions for what regions that need to be captured". If Georgia is checked then you are in the clear. It's like: Whatever the protectorate owns, you own,,

[pgeerkens]

This:

Originally posted by operating1:

I'm fairly sure if you capture the remaining Cherokee region (and New France) the 13 Colonies will go GB. I've had similar circumstances where a protectorate owned a region that I needed. JUST thought of it: "Check your Victory conditions for what regions that need to be captured". If Georgia is checked then you are in the clear. It's like: Whatever the protectorate owns, you own,,

My experience is the same.

[operating1]

At least we agree on something..:D

[pgeerkens]

Originally posted by operating1:

At least we agree on something..:D

We agree on lots - but the differences get more airtime.

[operating1]

Originally posted by pgeerkens:

Originally posted by operating1:

At least we agree on something..:D

We agree on lots - but the differences get more airtime.

Sorry about that..:( All is good otherwise...:)

[HEAVY FIRST RATE]

The mission statement in the world domination game does not show you your progress as you capture the required territories of Georgia, Cherokee Territory, and New France! It would indeed be nice if it did.

[operating1]

Originally posted by HEAVY FIRST RATE:

The mission statement in the world domination game does not show you your progress as you capture the required territories of Georgia, Cherokee Territory, and New France! It would indeed be nice if it did.

I know you have been at this forum for quite some time (years), like you I have a Wish-List too, and every once in a while run across something that trips me up, that I should have known, or I did know, but forgot about it, till being confronted with it again, Deja vue (I'm half French, that does not mean I can write in French).

[HEAVY FIRST RATE]

Well, %#!$*&%$#*, it is one turn past my capture of New France, I have the Cherokee Territory already, the 13 colonies still have Georgia and have burned down everything in it and built nothing in return, are still refusing to sell to me for any price, and DID NOT join my cause!

That is not the only glitch, the colonies have a perfectly good trading port in the colony directly east of New York colony, the same New York which the Iroquois took from them and promptly lost to the United States forcing me to indulge in the unholy task of stomping the upstart U.S. into oblivion. The year is 1750 and the colonies have not built another port anywhere else in their colonies, in fact they have not built a damn thing in any of their colonies, and that single port, for some reason does not work! There is no marked trade route going to the port and the trade icon says I cannot trade with them because their port is at capacity - WHAT THE BLOODY HELL - it definitely is a trade port, it is not damaged because they are producing numerous ships, brigs and sloops including trade ships which don't produce when they drop them on a trade node, they are not trading with anybody, not even by land, so I can not trade with my own colonies, nor complete the mission!

Not in the mood to go to war with my own colonies, it is too late in the game to have to capture all my own colonies, I am already at war with France and Poland, and the friggin Marathas have already marched all the way through the middle east and are at the gates of Constantinople and are ticked off at me because I have refused to trade with them the entire game. Fortunately, I have saved at the end of every turn, so, I think I am just going to search through all those saves till I find the one just before I declared war on the Cherokee, make an end run from the last captured Iroquois province to Georgia, and redo the game from there to make sure I have Georgia in my possession.

This is definitely a first in all the years I have been playing this game, but it is not the only first in this game. There have been 25 cabinet elections since the start of the game to the point I am at now and my starting cabinet has won every election. Yep, except for the 5 men I had to replace because of deaths over the span of 50 years, I essentially have the same cabinet I set up in the beginning! They never dropped below a 98% rating the entire time of this game. The most I ever had in the past games was 5 elections in a row.

Well, now you know, if you play the domination campaign as Britain and one of the required provinces to complete the mission is in the colonies hands, your game is pretty much trashed, they will not sell or trade it nor join you when you get the other two required provinces.

Now if you all will excuse me, I have a bunch of save games to search through!

[operating1]

OK, Who owns NY? From what I got out of your rant, GB does. Correct? If that is so, if you gift NY to the 13 Colonies, trade then will then be possible with them (providing there is a trade port in NY, or The Confederation of New England), in-spite of the ai trying to frigg things up. The real problem I'm hearing from you is: The 13 Colonies have not converted to GB regions, that's bothersome..

By any chance had you gifted regions in the European theater to the 13 Colonies? Also, What is your diplomatic relationship with the 13 Colonies? The Mission requires for both factions to be on "friendly terms" to seal the mission deal. If it is hostile could sink the mission, but usually map conditions met alone seal the mission requirements.

In all truthfulness: I really do not feel the conversion of a protectorate is worth it. You lose an ally, you lose a trading partner, then you have to garrison it, you lose 13 Colony priests roaming the Americas, you lose the ability to gift troublesome regions you have captured which could be gifted to the 13 Colonies, not only that "you lose the Other Income" the 13 Colonies provide GB every turn.

I have to question if you bother to "give" techs to the 13 Colonies that may or will improve their development, which in turn improves their economy to build infrastructure to build more stuff?

I'm trying to help you, not hurt you..

[HEAVY FIRST RATE]

Umm, if you read the post above you, it tells you I own NY. I took it from the U.S. who took it from the Iroquois who took it from the colonies. I have already ditched that game and went back to a save just before I went to war with the Cherokee, however, I do agree with you on one thing, I think that NY is the key to the port in the Confederation of New England States not working, Here is what I think happened, N.Y. was the capital of the colonies at the start of the game and it has a functioning port as all the nation capitals start with one.When the Iroquois took the capital and then lost it to the U.S., the game somehow did not assign a new capital to the colonies, even though New England colony has a trade port, the game does not recognize it as the capital port, hence, no trade possible. When this idea dawned on me, I did try to work a trade with the colonies to get N.Y. back to them to see if that did indeed give them a trade port that functions as a National port. Even though I do have good relations with them, they refused everything I tried.

However, I did not think to gift them N.Y. and see if they would take it, to tell the truth, I was using it to make troops for my war on the Iroquois and Cherokee and gifting it never crossed my mind. Maybe I will try that just to see if they do and it will prove out my theory about the port business.

The colonies were acting completely weird anyway as when I went back to my save before my Cherokee war, I took my troops around to Georgia to start the war there. I did not ask the colonies for help in the war, but they declared against the Cherokee anyway and while I was trying to siiege Georgia, they jumped in and attacked the city while I had it under siege, taking it. I went back to a save before they attacked the city and took the city myself whereupon they immediately moved to the Cherokee Territory (the other required province to complete the mission) and tried to take it but failed, thereafter just traveling around the province setting fires!

The part you said about the colonies being a trade partner and ally, yea, that too crossed my mind, but, the colonies count toward the 40 provences you meed to win the game, so that is why I usually do the mission.

This particular game session has had several weird and irregular interplay between the nations that I have never seen before.

When I think back to the short and long campaigns I have played before, I seem to remember that when you own the east coast of the U.S.,all the other state ports tie to the trade port in N.Y. and that port then connects to the rest of the world. A situation where N.Y. is not the national capital apparently is not coded into the playing mechanism!
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