Do protectorates count as victory regions?

[LeMarius18]

I was playing as Austria and Hungary rebeled,they became a minor faction and just before I beat them,they wanted to be my vassal and i accepted but when I look at the victory conditions it says that now i have 5 instead of 6 settlements,but it shows Hungary with green on the victory condition on the map and btw I am playing domination campaign.

[Didz]

Yes

[LeMarius18]

Thx man thinking about I can maybe form Austri-Hungary :)

[Didz]

Perhaps though to be honest I've never had much luck with protectorates.

[operating1]

Originally posted by EKTM Cute Polar Bear:

I was playing as Austria and Hungary rebeled,they became a minor faction and just before I beat them,they wanted to be my vassal and i accepted but when I look at the victory conditions it says that now i have 5 instead of 6 settlements,but it shows Hungary with green on the victory condition on the map and btw I am playing domination campaign.

I'm not so sure a protectorate counts as a victory condition? It certainly benefits Austria as far as a campaign goes, but is not actually possessed by Austria.

I'll do my homework on this issue. If your victory conditions tell you 5 instead of 6, that should tell you right there that a Hungary protectorate, or any protectorate does not count as a victory condition. Presently in an active Prussian campaign I have several (aprrox.) protectorates and will do a head count as to if any count towards my victory conditions.

[LeMarius18]

ok, thx I really hope they count because I feed Hungary some land XD

[operating1]

OK, checked victory conditions for Austria: Hungary is not required to be owned by Austria in world domination. As far as my own campaign goes: Prussia has 57 victory regions and 7 protectorates, none of the protectorate regions count towards victory conditions, only the regions possessed by Prussia do (all 57 of them), otherwise I would have a count of 64 (actually 69 for some protectorates have more than one region) regions.. Don't forget that all vassals have their own set of government that may be different than Austria's and are subject to many different kinds of interactions with other factions, including interaction amongst your protectorates themselves. The other day my Poland protectorate DOW'd my ally Wurttemburg forcing Prussia to drop it's ally over keeping Poland as a protectorate, but not forcing Prussia into war footing (next time Poland pulls a stunt like that again, I am prepared to go to war with what would be a former protectorate).

Having Hungary as a protectorate is not a bad thing, sounds like you are early into a long campaign and have plenty of turns left to gain the 40 victory regions needed to win the campaign..

[LeMarius18]

So in conclusion they don't count,it's wierd because in napoleon they acctually counted

[LeMarius18]

And you can even liberate other nations

[Didz]

Originally posted by Didz:

Yes

As there seems to be some disagreement about this issue I thought I'd check for myself and must admit that I was wrong and [EKTM] Cute Polar Bear is correct. I just loaded the game and selected the Ottoman Empire which begins the game with the Crimea as a protectorate and it appears that according to the victory screen it only has 12/40 Regions which doesn;t include the Crimea.

So, I stand corrected and they obviously don't count which is even more reason not to bother with them.

[LeMarius18]

The weird thing is that if you look at the victory condition map,you see them in green like you have them.

[LeMarius18]

Is there any chance that we can just modify the game so they count?

[HazardHawk]

Originally posted by EKTM Cute Polar Bear:

Is there any chance that we can just modify the game so they count?

Hahahahahahahaha

[Monteizo]

As far as I can tell protectorates do count for listed victory regions held (you know those specific provinces you need) but not total victory regions held, that only counts what you own directly.

Loaded up my current Sweden game, where I have forced Courland to become my protectorate to check (as Courland is an objective in the long campaign), I decided to give them all my other provinces just to check further and that meant that the listed victory regions owned remained at what it was (5 I think) while the total victory regions dropped to 2/25 (as I had a colony and I only bothered to give them what I had in Europe).

[LeMarius18]

So this is an update to my Austrian campaign,Hungary is still my vassal,Bavaria,Wurtemberg and Greece became too,Poland declared war on Hungary and i didn't pop the ally attacked thing,another funny thing is that Wurtemberg declared war on Bavaria and still the ally attacked didn't pop up XD,Greece is the only one who is doing fine.Helped Hungary with the war and they helped me too with some important battles.So my campaign is doing fine and I really want you guys to see one thing and that is if you open the victory condition map,if you look you see those regions green like you "own" them even if they don't count as victory regions.Another thing that I want to test out what if they acctually count but it dosen't show so I will try to make as many protectorates ass posible.I hope you guys have a great week,I didn't except so many responses in one day and I wish you good luck on your campaigns :)

[pgeerkens]

This is correct.

Originally posted by Monteizo:

As far as I can tell protectorates do count for listed victory regions held (you know those specific provinces you need) but not total victory regions held, that only counts what you own directly.

Loaded up my current Sweden game, where I have forced Courland to become my protectorate to check (as Courland is an objective in the long campaign), I decided to give them all my other provinces just to check further and that meant that the listed victory regions owned remained at what it was (5 I think) while the total victory regions dropped to 2/25 (as I had a colony and I only bothered to give them what I had in Europe).

Protectorates count for "Listed Victory Regions" but not for"Total Regions Controlled".

This is also true in NTW - except for World Domination, where the victory condition is "ownership",rather than "control", of every region.