Total War: EMPIRE - Definitive Edition

Total War: EMPIRE - Definitive Edition

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What is the matter with British AI?
For some reason, with very few exception, no matter who I play Great Britain's first act of the campaign is to load up almost a full army onto a full fleet and make a bee line for me to invade, no matter who I am playing. This happens pretty much without fail. If you are a faction that has any sort of coastline, be ready to fight some nonsense war against Britain for no reason. This makes alot of factions virtually unplayable, as you simply don't have the means and time to build up enough to fight back by the time the inevitable British invasion happens. Even if you do have the means to fight off the first invasion, they are inevitably going to send more and more and you are basically stuck having the only army you can afford be stuck in whatever province they can attack. I am using Darthmod rather than vanilla, so I don't know if that is the reason or cause, but has anyone else had this problem, and even better, know some sort of fix?
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pgeerkens Sep 25, 2019 @ 7:44pm 
I play vanilla only - so Darthmod may differ

General Notes:

1) Early in the game the British have only militia and provincial cavalry - all readily eliminated by line infantry even on Very Hard Battle difficulty. If in this situation before researching Square deploy with both flanks refused in one or two steps - each refused step covering the flank of that in front with musket fire.

2) The British AI doesn't declare war until it has reached it's desired beachhead location. This means that it can be forestalled by preventing the transporting fleet from arriving. One vessel in the Straits of Gibraltar blocks that passage; Entry to the Baltic can be blocked with three vessels, one east and two west of Copenhagen's island.

Diplomacy Notes:

1) At all times avoid calling your allies to war - that's not how to best leverage alliances. The purpose of alliances is to **forestall** a hostile DOW because you *might* call allies to war. That ensures you get a 10 turn warning of a betrayal.

2) The AI will (almost) never declare war if it has Military Access to your territory - freely negotiated. I have seen it claimed that simply granting Military Access unilaterally forestalls a DOW - but my experience on Very Hard Campaign difficulty differs.

3) For most purposes, only grant and accept Military Access for limited duration. This gains the benefits, without the penalties for DOW-ing a country granting you Military Access. If Britain keeps declaring war on you - negotiate granting them Military Access in exchange for a Tech.
Inardesco Sep 26, 2019 @ 1:14am 
Its just the AI being the AI. Theres a hidden personality trait that makes them anti-player.

Otherwise AI Britain would never do anything because they're never invaded.

You dont have to get military acces, giving the AI military access generally prevents them from warring you. Its rather an exploit in diplomacy.
Last edited by Inardesco; Sep 26, 2019 @ 1:15am
pgeerkens Sep 26, 2019 @ 4:54am 
Originally posted by Inardesco:

You dont have to get military acces, giving the AI military access generally prevents them from warring you. Its rather an exploit in diplomacy.

Agreed - but just granting it out of the blue is unreliable (on difficulty - Very hard Campaign at least) I tire it a while back and got "Surprised!"
;-)
Inardesco Sep 26, 2019 @ 5:46am 
Not really. If I'm Prussia and conquer Vienna I give it to Venice by default just to make sure they dont dow on me.

That said, countries that are determined to attack you will do so even with the miliatary access.
Zap Rowsdower Sep 26, 2019 @ 10:55pm 
Thanks for the advice! Giving them military access seems to have done the trick, and I have tried that using several different nations and it seems to have worked for all of them.
Zap Rowsdower Sep 27, 2019 @ 5:57am 
Or I should say it works 99% of the time. Apparently in the Road to Independence campaign it doesnt stop everyone declaring war on you and invading you...I'm going to try and reload from an earlier save and try it before their fleet is right next to me but Spain keeps invading for literally no reason, we are very friendly and trade partners and they are hostile towards Britain but apparently it makes more sense to ignore the obvious course and invade me
pgeerkens Sep 27, 2019 @ 10:57am 
Originally posted by Llywelyn Fawr:
Or I should say it works 99% of the time. Apparently in the Road to Independence campaign it doesnt stop everyone declaring war on you and invading you...I'm going to try and reload from an earlier save and try it before their fleet is right next to me but Spain keeps invading for literally no reason, we are very friendly and trade partners and they are hostile towards Britain but apparently it makes more sense to ignore the obvious course and invade me

As I noted above, distinguish between:
1) "Military Access freely granted unilaterally", which the AI may freely choose to ignore; and
2) "Military Access granted in a negotiation of quid pro quo", which the AI will attempt to honour.

Think of contract law - a "legal contract" requires an "exchange of value" to be valid except in very specific and well defined circumstances.
Sergeant Poultry Sep 27, 2019 @ 11:29pm 
Funny neve rad thisnproblem even as Sweden or Prussia. Funnily enough I've got a -800 diplomatic negotiation with Austria currently and they refuse to attack me? Why? Granted I'm the greatest world power with the best army and economy but still. And what does Dow mean?
Inardesco Sep 28, 2019 @ 2:23am 
Dow = declaration of war
Zap Rowsdower Oct 10, 2019 @ 7:12am 
Originally posted by pgeerkens:
Originally posted by Llywelyn Fawr:
Or I should say it works 99% of the time. Apparently in the Road to Independence campaign it doesnt stop everyone declaring war on you and invading you...I'm going to try and reload from an earlier save and try it before their fleet is right next to me but Spain keeps invading for literally no reason, we are very friendly and trade partners and they are hostile towards Britain but apparently it makes more sense to ignore the obvious course and invade me

As I noted above, distinguish between:
1) "Military Access freely granted unilaterally", which the AI may freely choose to ignore; and
2) "Military Access granted in a negotiation of quid pro quo", which the AI will attempt to honour.

Think of contract law - a "legal contract" requires an "exchange of value" to be valid except in very specific and well defined circumstances.
Yeah I know, and have tried to do that, but unfortunately I still am not having a great time as the success rate is still iffy with other campaigns. Basically it seems like no matter what, someone, somewhere is going to decide for no reason to spam fifth rates and 4th rates so I cant defeat them at sea, and drag an army across the world to attack me and specifically me, usually when I have other things going on and without any rhyme or reason when they have multiple options to attack that make leagues more sense.

I have found that the Indians are almost worse than britain with this. Whoever ends up taking over india, instead of going for Persia, Mysore or Goa if it is still owned by Portugal just declares war on me and makes a beeline for me. It basically ensures that I have to spend the money to keep an entire stack somewhere to fend off these nonsense attacks and it really ruins the campaign for me and breaks my bank.

Outside of just doing it with every single faction in the game at the start and praying, it seems like no matter what there is going to be someone that decides to just commit naval invasions against you at some point and grind your entire campaign to a halt.
Zap Rowsdower Oct 10, 2019 @ 7:46am 
Honestly its to the point where I am just about to give up on ETW, at least for a while. Every campaign I try to play just ends up getting dragged down by this godawful aspect of the AI and makes it futile to even try and enjoy and play.
Inardesco Oct 10, 2019 @ 8:01am 
No one has said the AI in this game is good. Its far from it.
pgeerkens Oct 10, 2019 @ 10:11am 
Originally posted by Llywelyn Fawr:
Honestly its to the point where I am just about to give up on ETW, at least for a while. Every campaign I try to play just ends up getting dragged down by this godawful aspect of the AI and makes it futile to even try and enjoy and play.

The trick is to think of the game - and the AI - as posing a series of puzzles for you.

MC causing a problem bombarding you with amphibious attacks?

Q: Consider *how* the MC afford to do this?

A: Because they get tremendous trade income.

Solution: Defeat their navy, and tap (render below 100% health) all their ports every turn.
You should be planning to do this by the early 1720's in order to render the MC impotent outside the Indian Theatre.Their navy at this time is all brigs/sloops/dhows and easily defeated by a handful of fifth and sixth rates supported by some brigs/sloops of your own and commanded by a decent admiral.

Having done that, which is a significant hit to their economy, a sensible next step and one which I always do is to invade India and take it over. A three stack invasion at Carnutica and Mysore is quite able to do this if begun before the MC gets to Syria. All MC territories West of Afghanistan will go into disorder once the entire Indian Theatre has been cleared of the MC.

India is not very well developed by 1720, having been ravaged by the 40 turn war of conquest by the MC. Once the Mughal are vanquished the MC will attempt to remedy this - so don't give hem too much time to do so.
Last edited by pgeerkens; Oct 10, 2019 @ 10:14am
Inardesco Oct 12, 2019 @ 3:00am 
You have to keep in mind that not everyone plays this game as methodical as you do.
pgeerkens Oct 12, 2019 @ 3:58am 
Originally posted by Inardesco:
You have to keep in mind that not everyone plays this game as methodical as you do.

Fair comment.

My intent is to reveal additional layers of understanding to other gamers, to make use of or not as they see fit.

It's not that my strategy or approach is the only one - that would be an absurd take on a game this rich - but that my approach can possibly inspire others to broaden and enrich their own approach.
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