Which auto chess game has the least rng factor?

[Moses Zal]

I like the concept of auto chess but hate the huge influence of RNG. Even though I have made up my mind about which auto chess is my favourite, I still need your opinions especially if you have played all the three auto chess games.
Dota Underlords.
I had fun times with DU. Before the big update, alliances were heavily unbalanced as there were a huge gap between the usefulness of alliances. I haven't played serious games after the big update so I don't know about the current state of balance. To be honest, the huge update gave me a reason to try another auto chess game because it was like Dota Underlords is shut down and Dota Underlords 2 is released. But still, being able with the help of RNG to complete an alliance is extremely rewarding when you are able to add the ace tier hero of the said alliance. I guess Valve is following the concept of generously rewarding success and punishing failure hard just like it's doing with Dota 2. Too much RNG for me.
Team Fight Tactics
I haven't played TFT to be honest and I am not excited to do so. The idea of needing the help of RNG to get the items you want in order to be able to complete some of the classes/origins is really unappealing. The chance of an item drop is random. You're not offered a list of item choices to pick from. And of course, you can't reroll an item like you do in the store until you get what you need. In conclusion, rng has the final word on whether you can or can not complete  classes/origins that doesn't have enough champions.
Auto Chess by Dragonest
Alliances look and feel more balanced. Completing an alliance is rewarding but not too much. Ace heroes don't provide your alliance with insane bonuses like in DU. Winning creep rounds provide you with 3 item choices to pick from. Loosing rounds provide you with 1 item choice.
According to my experience, Auto chess is the game with the least rng factor.
Which one do you think has the least rng impact?

[gachi is manly]

TFT has been moving away from heavy RNG to giving the player more agency lately. It's pretty much their goal of season 2 but we'll see if it actually pans out.

[SpaceScrew]

IMHO DU have least RNG, at DU, all players have same number of item.
TFT, when some player got 1 item , other player got 4 items which makes huge RNG factor.
Auto chess gives dead players all item to randomly selected other player which makes extreme RNG factor, also if you are lucky, you can craft higher tier item(refresher orb) at 3 round. and there is extremely overpowered SS tier 15 gold unit which guarantee win.

[Moses Zal]

Originally posted by SpaceScrew:

IMHO DU have least RNG, at DU, all players have same number of item.
TFT, when some player got 1 item , other player got 4 items which makes huge RNG factor.
Auto chess gives dead players all item to randomly selected other player which makes extreme RNG factor, also if you are lucky, you can craft higher tier item(refresher orb) at 3 round. and there is extremely overpowered SS tier 15 gold unit which guarantee win.

I agree that the feature of finishing off a player is a huge and unfair advantage.
I disagree about the ace tier chess pieces being overpowered. Compared to DU, they are strong as long as they don give insane bonuses to their alliance.

[Fyre]

Translation- "I'm bad at DU and blame RNG."

[SpaceScrew]

Originally posted by Moses Zal:

Originally posted by SpaceScrew:

IMHO DU have least RNG, at DU, all players have same number of item.
TFT, when some player got 1 item , other player got 4 items which makes huge RNG factor.
Auto chess gives dead players all item to randomly selected other player which makes extreme RNG factor, also if you are lucky, you can craft higher tier item(refresher orb) at 3 round. and there is extremely overpowered SS tier 15 gold unit which guarantee win.

I agree that the feature of finishing off a player is a huge and unfair advantage.
I disagree about the ace tier chess pieces being overpowered. Compared to DU, they are strong as long as they don give insane bonuses to their alliance.

I'm not talking about 5 gold unit.
In auto chess there is very low chance to get 15 , 10 gold SSR unit
they don't need alliance bonus because single unit can destroy all enemy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBl0714r2MQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNoHI4Ku6bk

and not all DU alliance bonus is insane. only sniper,assassin bonus is insane.

[Moses Zal]

Originally posted by Fyre:

Translation- "I'm bad at DU and blame RNG."

Translation: "I am so dumb to understand what a person is trying to say no matter how clear and precise he is with explaning. So don't bother".

[Moses Zal]

Originally posted by SpaceScrew:

Originally posted by Moses Zal:

I agree that the feature of finishing off a player is a huge and unfair advantage.
I disagree about the ace tier chess pieces being overpowered. Compared to DU, they are strong as long as they don give insane bonuses to their alliance.

I'm not talking about 5 gold unit.
In auto chess there is very low chance to get 15 , 10 gold SSR unit
they don't need alliance bonus because single unit can destroy all enemy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBl0714r2MQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNoHI4Ku6bk

and not all DU alliance bonus is insane. only sniper,assassin bonus is insane.

What about knights and trolls along with the Troll warlord and ace tier knight?
All I am saying is that some alliances have no bonuses from their ace hero and they are not so great either like savages and elusive.

[SpaceScrew]

Originally posted by Moses Zal:

Originally posted by SpaceScrew:

I'm not talking about 5 gold unit.
In auto chess there is very low chance to get 15 , 10 gold SSR unit
they don't need alliance bonus because single unit can destroy all enemy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBl0714r2MQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNoHI4Ku6bk

and not all DU alliance bonus is insane. only sniper,assassin bonus is insane.

What about knights and trolls along with the Troll warlord and ace tier knight?
All I am saying is that some alliances have no bonuses from their ace hero and they are not so great either like savages and elusive.

I agree about that I'm just saying Auto Chess have more RNG factor. troll warlord was too strong (so he is nerfed today) but no match to chaos knight hellfire which almost guarantee win.
even 5 gold zeus is stronger than troll warlord.

Actually I also like auto chess very much and play a lot but it definitely have more RNG than DU

and I think ace tier knight is very weak.

[rocklandz]

Originally posted by SpaceScrew:

Originally posted by Moses Zal:

I agree that the feature of finishing off a player is a huge and unfair advantage.
I disagree about the ace tier chess pieces being overpowered. Compared to DU, they are strong as long as they don give insane bonuses to their alliance.

I'm not talking about 5 gold unit.
In auto chess there is very low chance to get 15 , 10 gold SSR unit
they don't need alliance bonus because single unit can destroy all enemy

and not all DU alliance bonus is insane. only sniper,assassin bonus is insane.

Have you lost your mind? SSR units are extremely rare in DAC and you're talking like you can get it every game like it's nothing. I had 300 hours in DAC and I've never had a single SSR piece. Can't even witness one, only on youtube.
To me, DAC is still the most balanced game. RNG factor is big but you'll get used to it time by time.
In Underlords there are too many small RNG factors that I feel like I can't have a good control of them. Lack of alliance varies (yes you can win with many alliances, but you have to build it in particular comps to win) so I wouldn't say Underlords is the most balanced. Now look at the underlords, for the first 2 weeks every game goes with 8 anessix's on the boards. Today we have 8 hobgen's in every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ match. How is that a balanced game to you?

[SpaceScrew]

Originally posted by rocklandz:

Originally posted by SpaceScrew:

I'm not talking about 5 gold unit.
In auto chess there is very low chance to get 15 , 10 gold SSR unit
they don't need alliance bonus because single unit can destroy all enemy

and not all DU alliance bonus is insane. only sniper,assassin bonus is insane.

Have you lost your mind? SSR units are extremely rare in DAC and you're talking like you can get it every game like it's nothing. I had 300 hours in DAC and I've never had a single SSR piece. Can't even witness one, only on youtube.
To me, DAC is still the most balanced game. RNG factor is big but you'll get used to it time by time.
In Underlords there are too many small RNG factors that I feel like I can't have a good control of them. Lack of alliance varies (yes you can win with many alliances, but you have to build it in particular comps to win) so I wouldn't say Underlords is the most balanced. Now look at the underlords, for the first 2 weeks every game goes with 8 anessix's on the boards. Today we have 8 hobgen's in every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ match. How is that a balanced game to you?

I agree with you that DAC have far more balanced alliance.
but broken underlord balance is not about RNG factor it's about player's choice
you can always select anessix.

but
you can't always get refresher orb at 3 round it's about luck
you can't always get dead player's 2 mask of maddness it's about RNG
I'm just talking about RNG factor.

[rocklandz]

Originally posted by SpaceScrew:

I agree with you that DAC have far more balanced alliance.
but broken underlord balance is not about RNG factor it's about player's choice
you can always select anessix.

but
you can't always get refresher orb at 3 round it's about luck
you can't always get dead player's 2 mask of maddness it's about RNG
I'm just talking about RNG factor.

Well, at least you have more control of item RNG in DAC. You can decide which item you should combine depend on what comp you're running.
In Underlords, item RNG is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and boring. They can't balance ♥♥♥♥. This game is basically a RNG race, whoever gets the most good stuff pieces or most broken items first will win the game. You have no control of RNG by playing other comps because there's always some kind of broken ♥♥♥♥ that outplay everything else no matter what in every patch (last week it was warriors). So unbalanced ♥♥♥♥ surely affects much to RNG factors in this game.

[Moses Zal]

I am starting to think the whole auto chess genre is meant to have huge RNG in it that can decide games even with proper planning and thinking ahead.
DU, extreme lack of balance between alliances which means more RNG. The RNG in early rounds can force you to build a weak alliance compared to others unless you're willing to reroll in early rounds which is stupid. If by the end of early game, I have more and upgraded elusive units but only few hunters, then of course I will build my team around elusive which puts me in a tough spot against those who had the lack of encountering lots of assassins in early rounds.
TFT, Items' RNG has the final word whether you can or can't complete an alliance that is missing chess pieces.
Auto Chess Origin
The luck of getting matched against a weak player who is about to die gives you a huge and unfair advantage.
Dota Auto Chess
I don't know how much RNG is decisive since I haven't played it.