Hot take FF is better than manor lords.

[sarang]

Been playing since day one of early access for both, farthest frontier is better in civ/management game standpoint.

Deeper systems from resources, to structures, to even defensive systems. I am mentally making NOTE that I am comparing this to BOTH day one EA's, obviously FF has come quite a bit since its EA launch.

Farthest Frontier is free flowing.

- Very shallow progression in Manor Lords - you are clicking a skill tree for progression, in FF you are doing it on the fly by upgrading buildings themselves. It's built DIRECTLY in to the gameplay systems. You aren't gated out of anything.

In Manor lords for example - building fruit trees - you have to RESEARCH, how to plant fruit trees. Really? Even as a pleb, I have done some gardening IRL and planted my own fruit trees in my backyard. Why do you need to research this? Is there some secret talent to planting an apple tree?

What this means in ML is that if you DONT unlock fruit trees in the SKILL Progression system - you cant grow RYE which is easier fertilization than wheat, just like in FF. Thus meaning, more yield, and constant crop growth year after year.

So you can plant wheat, but cant plant rye, because you don't know how to build fruit trees?
This limits your food production, trade production, locked by a skill tree.

On the other hand Farthest frontier lets you build them without some skill tree. You can harvest them, jar them, trade all of these, what you want to do is freely up to you. You are PROGRESSING as you play real time, not some skill tree that designates what you can and cannot do.

Keep in mind, this is only one system. There are other things like building management, resource gathering, trade, etc.

The two games are very similar in what they are trying to achieve, yet not being gated out of a playstyle feels good when you notice it. At any point in time if you wanted to advance a certain trade or resource you can do that in Farthest Frontier. In Manor lords you cannot.

What manor lords does right, though the differences to actual gameplay are very negligible.
- Graphics are gorgeous. FF still looks great though, and they are two different styles.
- The combat in Manor lords is a step up, but not by much.
- End game goal currently which FF lacks. You try to take over neighboring lands to defeat the Baron (bad guy) of the lands. Something I stated before that FF should do is have some type of end game goal.

Biggest difference:
-Performance. Gameplay is BUTTERY smooth even with high population, in FF map lags quite a bit and its a bit cumbersome to navigate your settlement.

As of EA release day one: FF has deeper systems and a more flowing progression. Manor lords has the eye candy, but thats about it, everywhere else its lacking compared to FF.

Note: I still enjoy ML, but FF is so far superior imo if you want a deeper game on all fronts.

[=7CAV=SPC.Henson.K]

ML was just released and I have a couple of years and over 1,700 hours of FF played...and it's still in EA. Wait and see.

[Zephyr]

Well, with Manor Lords it will also need years. The EA for it was too early in my opinion and the hype way too much for its state. I am not interested in Manor Lords at all for the time being. It is pretty, no doubt, but it lacks essentially all depth for now (compared to FF). It also has vision and the achievement in itself is for sure impressive. Give it 3-5 years and it migh become a real gem. Farthest Frontier will be a diamond by then :).

[SmlehliW]

the single-Dev of ManorLords got rich now and stopped working, he retired. Have somebody seen an bugfixing or update or patch in now one week?

[ungamer]

Originally posted by SmlehliW:

the single-Dev of ManorLords got rich now and stopped working, he retired. Have somebody seen an bugfixing or update or patch in now one week?

ML was made NOT JUST BY 1 person.... there are MANY people who help him in ML development. not sure why everywhone points on that it is 1 person who make ML ... it is not.
another thing - why people start to compare games here in discussion about certain game? (shouldnt we talk about FF aspects and our wishes about it ?)

[sarang]

Originally posted by ungamer:

why people start to compare games here in discussion about certain game? (shouldnt we talk about FF aspects and our wishes about it ?)

Comparisons will be made because they are in the same genre and do a lot of things similar.

Both games are also in EA, both of which I had the pleasure of experiencing early in it's release,

Some people might try ML because its hyped up and might be wondering if there are other games like it and might see our posts and discussion: which will lead to them being more informed about whether or not to buy Farthest Frontier.

It's also fun to just have discussions and see what other people, especially fans of the genre think.

As far as ML being made by one dev and we should feel a certain way about the game... here is what I think about that:

It is impressive that its largely created by one person (despite that, there is an orchestrated OST, voice actors/actresses, marketing promotion by the publisher, etc etc...) But I digress. Outside of that, that is highly impressive, but I do not care about that at all.

I value my money on the quality of the game. Is ML a good quality game? Yes and no, there are key factors as to why others in the genre, such as Farthest Frontier is in my opinion a way better game as it stands now.

[ungamer]

Originally posted by sarang:

first- there is another topic about ML , what is the reason to create another one? looks like ML advertise.... to spread it everywhere possible many many times... too annoying.
second - people just talking about ML , but not talked about FF before... looks strange.

ps. people just repeating that ML is made by 1 person , but go official ML discord and ask there... everyone will tel it is not true. 1 person is the main author who started it , but there are many people outside who helps with some game parts, assets etc for him
i dont care too much , just dont like how people mislead others.

[sarang]

Originally posted by ungamer:

Originally posted by sarang:

first- there is another topic about ML , what is the reason to create another one? looks like ML advertise.... to spread it everywhere possible many many times... too annoying.
second - people just talking about ML , but not talked about FF before... looks strange.

If the thread bothers you, you can always ignore it brother.

[ungamer]

Originally posted by sarang:

Originally posted by ungamer:

first- there is another topic about ML , what is the reason to create another one? looks like ML advertise.... to spread it everywhere possible many many times... too annoying.
second - people just talking about ML , but not talked about FF before... looks strange.

If the thread bothers you, you can always ignore it brother.

yes, so lets spam ! spam is good. who doesnt like - will ignore it.
rly? it is the same as you will go on the street and scream all the way... and anyone who will tell you to be quiet will get same answer as me.... just dont listen
ps ok enough, i hope moderators will stop this stupid ML spam.

[sarang]

Originally posted by ungamer:

Originally posted by sarang:

If the thread bothers you, you can always ignore it brother.

yes, so lets spam ! spam is good. who doesnt like - will ignore it.
rly? it is the same as you will go on the street and scream all the way... and anyone who will tell you to be quiet will get same answer as me.... just dont listen
ps ok enough, i hope moderators will stop this stupid ML spam.

Interesting hostility, you do you man.

[Flavalicious]

FF is easily the better game. But Manor Lords definitely has some charm and some real diamond in the rough ideas that if polished could make it the better game. My concern is the guy is working with a tiny, TINY workforce (was solo dev, now he has like 3 employees i think), so the amount of bugs/etc from the EA launch could be months of work for them to fix up without any progression of the actual game. Worried its going to rot on the vine while taking forever to get anything done.

[Gibbo]

All I will say is I'm glad I got this in EA and not Manor Lords. Even in EA this is as good if not better than Banished. By the time ML is fully released there will be even better games on the market. People have been duped by hype and a lot of them want to defend their position despite the evidence.

[Jaaro]

All of the shadow marketing going on in these Crate forums leading up to Manor Lords being released as EA really turned me off what they were trying to sell.

If you have to bash the indie dev that pretty much relies on word-of-mouth and woo magicks to market their games, you have failed as a salesperson in my eyes.

It really calls into question the quality of the product if the only way you can sell it is by calling something else inferior, as opposed to marketing it based off of its supposed superior features.

All I am saying is you didn't see a bunch of Crate goons go over to the Manor Lord forums and plant the intrusive thoughts into your head, but you definitely saw it the other way around.

All of that may have been a marketing tactic of the publisher as opposed to the Manor Lords developers themselves though. Still, it looks bad and they should feel bad.

[Flavalicious]

Originally posted by Jaaro:

All of the shadow marketing going on in these Crate forums leading up to Manor Lords being released as EA really turned me off what they were trying to sell.

If you have to bash the indie dev that pretty much relies on word-of-mouth and woo magicks to market their games, you have failed as a salesperson in my eyes.

It really calls into question the quality of the product if the only way you can sell it is by calling something else inferior, as opposed to marketing it based off of its supposed superior features.

All I am saying is you didn't see a bunch of Crate goons go over to the Manor Lord forums and plant the intrusive thoughts into your head, but you definitely saw it the other way around.

All of that may have been a marketing tactic of the publisher as opposed to the Manor Lords developers themselves though. Still, it looks bad and they should feel bad.

Grasping at straws a bit there my guy? lol.

Allow me to shed some real basic light on this "development" as you viewed it.

Manor Lords WAS top wish listed game on Steam after The Day After imploded. Gaming journalist companies posted articles mentioning it was most wish listed. Draws people into Manor Lords steam page. Some gravitate towards the discussions, threads mentioning related games in the genre mention Farthest Frontier as a rival, those said people come on here out of genuine curiosity and/or to make stupid threads on purpose to farm steam awards and to troll people like yourself.

Hooded Horse also happens to have its finger on a very particular gaming pulse. Both Manor Lords and Falling Frontiers are very niche games that a specific type of gamer has wet dreams over and wishes for and there is alot of cross interactions between their various published titles. People interested in Manor Lords often own Against the Storm and have Falling Frontier wishlisted. As a publisher they've basically had win after win (so far).

Its really not a complex mystery or some kind of covert marketing campaign, its just a bunch of chronically online people making posts instead of having other hobbies. lol

[LadyMiska]

Originally posted by Jaaro:

All of the shadow marketing going on in these Crate forums leading up to Manor Lords being released as EA really turned me off what they were trying to sell.

If you have to bash the indie dev that pretty much relies on word-of-mouth and woo magicks to market their games, you have failed as a salesperson in my eyes.

It really calls into question the quality of the product if the only way you can sell it is by calling something else inferior, as opposed to marketing it based off of its supposed superior features.

All I am saying is you didn't see a bunch of Crate goons go over to the Manor Lord forums and plant the intrusive thoughts into your head, but you definitely saw it the other way around.

All of that may have been a marketing tactic of the publisher as opposed to the Manor Lords developers themselves though. Still, it looks bad and they should feel bad.

Agreed.

All the ML Spam seems like a Desperate Advert Tactic.

At this point, I don't even have an Interest in going to the ML page; I can hear all the noise about it here.

[Lateralus]

Always be careful of new games with nice looking graphics.
I like the basic concept of Manor Lords but it has a long way to go and has been over hyped.
FF is a far better game once you dig into the meat of it. But it gets let down by the terrible optimisation. However, at this point I would rather play FF over ML and put up with the slide show past 200 pop.