Lowland Lakes is better than Idyllic Valley

[IFIYGD]

Change my mind.

[Matthew]

Okay. Okay.

But neither is alpine valley. Why settle for mid when you can go for best?

[Don Cool]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Change my mind.

No, you are right, said it before in a different post. Idyllic valley is idyllic for those who don´t need wood, iron, gold and sand. You can get lucky .... but lowland lakes or alpine valley are usually far better.

[Jealle]

not tried alpine valley, what are the pros n cons of each one

[rodburns]

Originally posted by Jealle:

not tried alpine valley, what are the pros n cons of each one

Alpine valley has a lot more mountainous areas, from my experience, so usually more iron/gold than lowland maps.

[Furin]

Idyllic valley is too plains for my taste.

[Badger]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Lowland Lakes is better than Idyllic Valley

Agreed.

[qwermoop]

True!
Idyllic Valley lots of times got no water, sand, iron, coal or gold.
"Idyllic" my butt.

[powbam]

Originally posted by qwermoop:

True!
Idyllic Valley lots of times got no water, sand, iron, coal or gold.
"Idyllic" my butt.

I've rolled Idyllic probably 40-50 times now since it was implemented and probably 98% had water visible in the initial area. The rest of them you listed were always to be found on most the maps too.

My only complaint is trees tended to be sparsely dotted around. When I think Idyllic i think largely how they been rolling for me with the exception that I would also expect some lush forests as well.

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by powbam:

My only complaint is trees tended to be sparsely dotted around. When I think Idyllic i think largely how they been rolling for me with the exception that I would also expect some lush forests as well.

This is my main issue with the map. I have had the water scarcity issue a few times, but mainly trees- often lots of them, but almost all of them baby trees of 2-4 logs that will not seed if I chop them down, or dead trees that only give 2 logs and will never seed, but I need logs to build T1 buildings to even hope to get to T2 and get trading up and going. Lack of mature forests also tends to mean lack of large deer herds, who tend to live in more heavily forested locations on the Lakes and Idyllic maps. I keep getting single chevron deer herds for all deer spawns on Idyllic.

[qwermoop]

Originally posted by powbam:

Originally posted by qwermoop:

True!
Idyllic Valley lots of times got no water, sand, iron, coal or gold.
"Idyllic" my butt.

I've rolled Idyllic probably 40-50 times now since it was implemented and probably 98% had water visible in the initial area. The rest of them you listed were always to be found on most the maps too.

My only complaint is trees tended to be sparsely dotted around. When I think Idyllic i think largely how they been rolling for me with the exception that I would also expect some lush forests as well.

I did not had such luck, I rolled lots of maps with a tiny bit to no water at all, and if I had some it lacked some other basic stuff like sand or iron. Maybe its because I choose a large map? I dont know but I had way better luck with the Lowland Lakes.

[powbam]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Lack of mature forests also tends to mean lack of large deer herds, who tend to live in more heavily forested locations on the Lakes and Idyllic maps. I keep getting single chevron deer herds for all deer spawns on Idyllic.

Sometimes the deer spawns will be several single chevron but I've also been getting enough with larger herds. Ive also made it a habit to leave the small ones alone at the start (if possible) to let them grow some and try to position myself to have at least one larger herd nearby to target instead.

Originally posted by qwermoop:

I did not had such luck, I rolled lots of maps with a tiny bit to no water at all, and if I had some it lacked some other basic stuff like sand or iron. Maybe its because I choose a large map? I dont know but I had way better luck with the Lowland Lakes.

My initial thoughts about Idyllic were actually that it seemed to be very similarly to Lowland Lakes except that Lowland tended to be better with the forests.

I'd honestly be down for them to figure out a way, visually/artistically, to differentiate the two more than they currently are. As it stands right now they just feel like two slightly different versions of the same thing.

Note: I only roll large maps as well.

[qwermoop]

Originally posted by powbam:

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Lack of mature forests also tends to mean lack of large deer herds, who tend to live in more heavily forested locations on the Lakes and Idyllic maps. I keep getting single chevron deer herds for all deer spawns on Idyllic.

Sometimes the deer spawns will be several single chevron but I've also been getting enough with larger herds. Ive also made it a habit to leave the small ones alone at the start (if possible) to let them grow some and try to position myself to have at least one larger herd nearby to target instead.

Originally posted by qwermoop:

I did not had such luck, I rolled lots of maps with a tiny bit to no water at all, and if I had some it lacked some other basic stuff like sand or iron. Maybe its because I choose a large map? I dont know but I had way better luck with the Lowland Lakes.

My initial thoughts about Idyllic were actually that it seemed to be very similarly to Lowland Lakes except that Lowland tended to be better with the forests.

I'd honestly be down for them to figure out a way, visually/artistically, to differentiate the two more than they currently are. As it stands right now they just feel like two slightly different versions of the same thing.

Note: I only roll large maps as well.

Guess I have a crap of a luck

[Maxamillion-X72]

Originally posted by qwermoop:

True!
Idyllic Valley lots of times got no water, sand, iron, coal or gold.
"Idyllic" my butt.

I had one map that had no water, but TONS of everything else
I had another map that has water everywhere, little ponds, big lakes, my town started on a narrow strip between two big lakes. Tons of ore, but ONLY in one spot on the map. Like 20+ iron deposits.
It certainly adds to the replayability if the same map is that varied,

[Jeffus Maximus]

It's definitely not "idyllic" at all. I think I agree with OP's assessment about Lowland Lakes being better.